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Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

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Post by philwelch »

s5300 wrote: post #8

Sigh. Reminder that Terry being hellbanned on this website was cited by those who tracked him down in person towards the end as very not good for his mental state/part of reason for his extreme decline towards the end. Whether that’s true, no clue. But I like to think he deserved better.

I don’t have a good answer for the question of hellbanning Terry. Spamming every HN thread with irrelevant nonsense and long stretches of randomly generated text is naturally going to get anyone hellbanned. Would it have been merciful to try and make an exception for Terry personally? I don’t know.

The thing is, it never stopped him from posting, nor did it stop those of us with “showdead” enabled from seeing his comments. For me at least, Terry was a fixture of the old HN. Every story on the front page would have that one dead, greyed out comment at the bottom that didn’t make very much sense to anyone but him. I miss seeing those comments.

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

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Post by jimcsharp »

kstrauser wrote: post #31
williamcotton wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure you can, you just recognize that the person saying it is a very different kind of person. Who was actually offended by Terry’s schizophrenic ramblings? Is the n word really that disturbing when used by someone without a firm grasp on reality and in the midst of a word salad? Is it racist or just nonsense? “Rule are rules”… well, people in wheelchairs get a different set of rules and I’m perfectly fine sacrificin…

> Is the n word really that disturbing when used by someone without a firm grasp on reality and in the midst of a word salad? Yes. Absolutely. 100%. While I get what you're saying, it's not on the recipient of an n-bomb to look up the person who just called them the n-word to judge their mental competency. > “Rule are rules”… well, people in wheelchairs get a different set of rules and I’m perfectly fine sacrificing…

Would you be this hard-line on a tourettes sufferer with coprolalia? Society seems more ready to make concessions for them. Terry was closer to the illness "uncanny valley" for some, I guess.

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

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Post by stickfigure »

chmod600 wrote: post #32
Paul-Craft wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TempleOS is actually pretty cool, when viewed as the product of one man's dream. How many people can say they've written a 64-bit, multi-core, protected mode OS that comes with its own programming language? Then, throw in a flight simulator game, just for giggles. Honestly, if it weren't the product of religious delusions common with schizophrenia, I'd say TempleOS and HolyC would be more than enough of a resume to g…

For someone so delusional, it's interesting that he was effective enough to do anything. How far detached from reality can you be and still create something that objectively works? Could someone delusional also create a rocket ship? Or is there something special about programming that makes it compatible with delusional thinking?

> Could someone delusional also create a rocket ship? Or is there something special about programming that makes it compatible with delusional thinking?

Programming (eg, TempleOS) can be successful as a solo endeavor. I'm not sure we have enough technical leverage for a single person to create a rocket ship (ie, something capable of lifting real loads to orbit). Maybe in the future when AI systems can fill in some of the details and/or automate the construction.

If you have to coordinate with other humans, insanity is tough. Nobody else can hear the voices in your particular head.

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

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Post by kstrauser »

jimcsharp wrote: post #42
kstrauser wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is the n word really that disturbing when used by someone without a firm grasp on reality and in the midst of a word salad? Yes. Absolutely. 100%. While I get what you're saying, it's not on the recipient of an n-bomb to look up the person who just called them the n-word to judge their mental competency. > “Rule are rules”… well, people in wheelchairs get a different set of rules and I’m perfectly fine sacrificing…

Would you be this hard-line on a tourettes sufferer with coprolalia? Society seems more ready to make concessions for them. Terry was closer to the illness "uncanny valley" for some, I guess.

If the sufferer was repeatedly and unapologetically throwing n-bombs at specific people, yes, of course.

I'm sympathetic to Terry. His illness turned him into a right bastard, though. If someone's illness caused them to punch people, I don't want to be around them because I don't want them to punch me. It's not because I think it makes them a bad person. I still don't want to be punched.

And darned if I'm going to be the one to tell a black person that they have to let someone call them the n-word repeatedly without wanting that person to go away.

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

williamcotton wrote: post #21
kstrauser wrote: post #14

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That's sad and I feel for anyone whose mental illness drives wedges between them and society. I can't imagine many things more horrifying than to be a sentient mind trapped in a brain determined to play tricks on it. That said, you can't just let someone with those issues spew awfulness even if it's caused by a medical condition. That's a rough situation for the person being banned but I'm not sure what the less bad…

Sure you can, you just recognize that the person saying it is a very different kind of person. Who was actually offended by Terry’s schizophrenic ramblings? Is the n word really that disturbing when used by someone without a firm grasp on reality and in the midst of a word salad? Is it racist or just nonsense? “Rule are rules”… well, people in wheelchairs get a different set of rules and I’m perfectly fine sacrificin…

If a crazy person stabs you, is it okay because they're crazy? They're still harming you.

Stabbing should either be okay for everyone or not okay for anyone.

> people in wheelchairs get a different set of rules and I’m perfectly fine sacrificing some of my own personal comfort to make accommodations

Only because wheelchair accommodations are not very harmful. If they were considered too annoying to implement, they wouldn't be.

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

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Post by stickfigure »

williamcotton wrote: post #21
kstrauser wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's sad and I feel for anyone whose mental illness drives wedges between them and society. I can't imagine many things more horrifying than to be a sentient mind trapped in a brain determined to play tricks on it. That said, you can't just let someone with those issues spew awfulness even if it's caused by a medical condition. That's a rough situation for the person being banned but I'm not sure what the less bad…

Sure you can, you just recognize that the person saying it is a very different kind of person. Who was actually offended by Terry’s schizophrenic ramblings? Is the n word really that disturbing when used by someone without a firm grasp on reality and in the midst of a word salad? Is it racist or just nonsense? “Rule are rules”… well, people in wheelchairs get a different set of rules and I’m perfectly fine sacrificin…

> ...a different set of rules... Why isn’t this the same with mental illness?

Isn't this what happened? Terry was allowed to post all he wanted. We just didn't have to read it. Win-win.

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

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Post by throwaway073123 »

jimcsharp wrote: post #42
kstrauser wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is the n word really that disturbing when used by someone without a firm grasp on reality and in the midst of a word salad? Yes. Absolutely. 100%. While I get what you're saying, it's not on the recipient of an n-bomb to look up the person who just called them the n-word to judge their mental competency. > “Rule are rules”… well, people in wheelchairs get a different set of rules and I’m perfectly fine sacrificing…

Would you be this hard-line on a tourettes sufferer with coprolalia? Society seems more ready to make concessions for them. Terry was closer to the illness "uncanny valley" for some, I guess.

My father had schizophrenia, and my wife has tourettes.

It's a completely different scenario. Someone with tourrettes knows what just happened. They're probably deathly embarrassed and apologetic.

In the schizophrenic case, they're being aggressive, hurtful, belligerent -- no one is obligated to sit through that. There's no reasoning with them, there's not even a discussion happening.

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

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Post by OfSanguineFire »

nrb wrote: post #29
williamcotton wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure you can, you just recognize that the person saying it is a very different kind of person. Who was actually offended by Terry’s schizophrenic ramblings? Is the n word really that disturbing when used by someone without a firm grasp on reality and in the midst of a word salad? Is it racist or just nonsense? “Rule are rules”… well, people in wheelchairs get a different set of rules and I’m perfectly fine sacrificin…

I don’t think it’s remotely the same thing. What comfort are you sacrificing for the disabled in the real world? On the pseudo anonymous internet it’s impossible to tell whether you’re dealing with a very different type of person or just a troll hellbent on sabotaging your community. When the quality of discourse is in the dumps, who caused it or why won’t matter when folks have lost interest in engaging with that co…

It was very, very easy to tell that Terry was a “very different type of person” and not just a troll hellbent on sabotage. Nearly any post from him had a particular word salad (or a link to such word salad on his TempleOS page) that was readily recognizable as a sign of mental illness, and I’ve never in my decades of following news-for-nerds sites seen a troll emulate it.

Re: Temple OS Theme for Arch Linux

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Post by jszymborski »

s5300 wrote: post #8

Sigh. Reminder that Terry being hellbanned on this website was cited by those who tracked him down in person towards the end as very not good for his mental state/part of reason for his extreme decline towards the end. Whether that’s true, no clue. But I like to think he deserved better.

4chan killed Terry Davis. It was a concerted effort over many years to get him run out of his home and society.

HN banning him was not the cause of this, it was a symptom.

I think of Terry often, and he most certainly deserved better.

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