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Re: Nvidia DGX GH200 Whitepaper

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does sparse mean anything other than we can not actually do as many FP8 operations per second as we just claimed? To me it sounds like they can do X matrix operations per second on sparse matrices using Y FP8 operations per second, but instead of just saying what Y is they tell us how many FP8 operations would be required if the matrices were not sparse. Is this pure marketing bullshit or is there some logic to this?…

It means a very specific sparsity pattern - 2:4, so 2 out of 4 values are not 0. It's not pure bullshit, because a matrix with 2:4 sparsity may represent more "information" than a matrix that is 50% smaller.

Okay, yes, there is a bit more information than in a matrix with half the number of entries, namely the position of the zeros. But when it comes to the number of floating point operations, doubling that number seems at least somewhat questionable to me, they are not performing that many multiplications. On the other hand it would probably be hard if not impossible to achieve the same performance if one tried to manually exploit this sparsity and avoid the multiplications, so maybe under that angle it is not too unreasonable.

But this also made me wonder, how does one use this in practice? If the matrices are not tiny, then they will probably have to be incredible sparse in order to always have at least two out of four entries zero. So does this just set some entries to zero if there are not enough of them in each group of four? Does one have to ensure this on its own, reorder rows and columns and introduce zeros where required and acceptable?

Re: Nvidia DGX GH200 Whitepaper

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The memory and bandwidth numbers are mind blowing. Going to be very hard to catch Nvidia. It’s as if competitors are going through the motions for participation prizes.

NVDA has no real competitors in DL space. The closest is Google with their TPUs.

Gaudi2 was competitive with the A100 on paper but was borderline vaporware.

Agree for now, but long do we think this will last though.

There really hasn’t been that great of a financial incentive to compete on DL. Nvidia themselves only recently made this a major priority.

However, now that heaps of money are being thrown at massive training runs I expect we’ll see more competition popping up. Particularly if Intel pulls off IFS and catches up on the next node increasing availability.

Re: Nvidia DGX GH200 Whitepaper

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Why is this called a whitepaper, as this is more of a documentation and architecture overview of the cluster? Wow a CLOS topology for networking, very innovative. Details on NVLink would be great. For example, the needs and problems solved by their custom cables seemingly required by NVLink would be worth a whitepaper. Don't get me wrong, this is still great the general public can get a glimpse into Grace Hopper. And…

> Why is this called a whitepaper, as this is more of a documentation and architecture overview of the cluster? That’s what a marketing white paper is and does. It’s not an academic paper.

I was always taught that “whitepapers” were this sort of thing and were distinct from academic papers. However this seems to be industry or ecosystem specific because the cryptocurrency ecosystem uses “whitepaper” to mean their academic papers, or at least their approximation of them.
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