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Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made

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Re: Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made

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There are two types of people, those who have principles and those for whom ends justify the means. First most likely can't achieve their goals because they can't use every trick against opponents. While second acquire taste for means so to achieve ends would end their excuses for the means. To not get trapped by either of those is hard and in many cases impossible.

Re: Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made

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post #19

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> Single cake. Two crooked children. Greedy. But rule is one cuts; other chooses. Unlike a lot of more complex models, that one really works in practice. Game theory rises to the level of Solomon. Has it ever failed?

It works for uniform cake. The failure mode is when the cake is non-uniform, and the children want different things. In this scenario the top of the cake has two pieces of fruit, a slice of kiwi and a slice of strawberry. It's a soft cake, so the fruit can't be split or cut. Child A cuts the cake into two slices, each with one piece of fruit. Which slice does Child B choose? If you're lucky, A likes strawberry and B…

Don't make a cut you aren't happy with either side of.

Re: Out of the crooked timber of humanity, no straight thing was ever made

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post #37

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I understand your point, but strong disagree from experience. What do you think happens to people who want to do good by approaching positions of power? In my experience, friends who became teachers or cops, they either became evil/abusive themselves, or they were pushed into depression by social exclusion and either left or killed themselves. These are some of the jobs with the highest suicide levels, precisely beca…

> These are some of the jobs with the highest suicide levels What data are you using please?

Thanks for asking, made me check. It seems teachers suicide data is not as drastic as hearsay has it, although from anecdata i believe depression is very widespread:

https://blog.francetvinfo.fr/l-instit-humeurs/2019/11/09/cha...

As for the cops, there are a few statistical/sociological studies. I may have exaggerated claiming they are the jobs with the highest suicide levels, but they do have higher suicide level than the general population.

https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/les-policiers-se-suicide...

Anecdotally, what the article doesn't mention is that, at least here in France, it's not uncommon for cops committing suicide to actually kill their wife and children before killing themselves... which i believe is a rather unique feat of their profession, but as there are no official stats on the topic you should take this claim with a grain of salt.

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