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A copywriter swindled victims out of $200M by pretending to be a psychic

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Re: A copywriter swindled victims out of $200M by pretending to be a psychic

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This article doesn’t make clear the most important part of the scandal: the letters contained information that was unique to the recipient, to allow them to believe that maybe the psychic was legit. They didn’t use standard, mass copywriting techniques; they leveraged newspapers and, later, consumer information databases to share info about people that no “stranger” should have known.

I think it was this level of effort to deceive about their abilities, as well as the clear evidence that Maria did not write the letters or engage with the received items, that sunk any claim that people ‘knew’ what they were buying into.

Re: A copywriter swindled victims out of $200M by pretending to be a psychic

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Is this really a swindle if your "victims" are willing participants? Every purported psychic is "pretending" even if they don't realise. My sister in law makes good money giving readings over zoom. She genuinely believes in this nonsense, as do her customers. Is there a practical difference though, whether she believes it or not?

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Re: A copywriter swindled victims out of $200M by pretending to be a psychic

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Is this really a swindle if your "victims" are willing participants? Every purported psychic is "pretending" even if they don't realise. My sister in law makes good money giving readings over zoom. She genuinely believes in this nonsense, as do her customers. Is there a practical difference though, whether she believes it or not?

The victims paid for personal readings from a specific person, and got mass-produced ones from someone else instead. Psychics are bullshit, but that's an extra level of fraud on top, and far more actionable by law enforcement.

Not just bullshit, but money laundering centers as well since they are mostly a cash business with anon users.

Re: A copywriter swindled victims out of $200M by pretending to be a psychic

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I'm somewhat bemused by the idea what they did, is morally any different to what any psychic does. The assumption appears to be a psychic genuinely believes they have insights into you as an individual based on some criteria.

Is that it? Is the lack of overt signal they "believed" what makes this bad because I would suggest, they were a clever psychic who did what all psychics did, they just did it better.

Re: A copywriter swindled victims out of $200M by pretending to be a psychic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The victims paid for personal readings from a specific person, and got mass-produced ones from someone else instead. Psychics are bullshit, but that's an extra level of fraud on top, and far more actionable by law enforcement.

I'm reminded of Robert Tilton, who was exposed for depositing/trashing prayer requests/donations without actually praying over them. Sadly it seems like he largely escaped intact. I suspect being a grifter is a very strong risk factor for being too lazy to grift 'correctly', no matter how easy it would be.

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Re: A copywriter swindled victims out of $200M by pretending to be a psychic

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Is this really a swindle if your "victims" are willing participants? Every purported psychic is "pretending" even if they don't realise. My sister in law makes good money giving readings over zoom. She genuinely believes in this nonsense, as do her customers. Is there a practical difference though, whether she believes it or not?

Willfully and knowingly defrauding someone is worse, yeah. Also giving "readings" and making vague comments / giving advice is very different from promising health outcomes.

*except when they're promising health outcomes

Re: A copywriter swindled victims out of $200M by pretending to be a psychic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm reminded of Robert Tilton, who was exposed for depositing/trashing prayer requests/donations without actually praying over them. Sadly it seems like he largely escaped intact. I suspect being a grifter is a very strong risk factor for being too lazy to grift 'correctly', no matter how easy it would be.

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  If you’re that stupid, you deserve to be swindled.
The victims included mentally compromised people, the elderly, people who later committed suicide, etc.

It's hard for me not think this sort of behavior is anything but criminal.

Re: A copywriter swindled victims out of $200M by pretending to be a psychic

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Is this really a swindle if your "victims" are willing participants? Every purported psychic is "pretending" even if they don't realise. My sister in law makes good money giving readings over zoom. She genuinely believes in this nonsense, as do her customers. Is there a practical difference though, whether she believes it or not?

>She genuinely believes in this nonsense, as do her customers. Is there a practical difference though, whether she believes it or not?

It is legal for scientology to solicit donations from their followers. It's even legal for the Catholic Church to solicit tithes. If the party benefitting believes their own story then quite a lot seems to be legal.

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