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Judeo-Christian roots will ensure US military AI is used ethically, general says

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Re: Judeo-Christian roots will ensure US military AI is used ethically, general says

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Post by data-ottawa »

ilaksh wrote: post #8

Look at what DeepMind has done with the universal Atari video game player, AlphaGo, AlphaStar (Starcraft II), etc. See the new Netflix "Unknown: Killer Robots" documentary. There are already companies testing AI that controls swarms of drones or (in simulation?) jets. These types of AI will be (if they aren't already) so much faster and strategically superior to humans, militaries will have to deploy them. And if the…

I'm curious what the logistics of AI on an aircraft looks like. Do they run the GPUs/etc. onboard adding weight and power consumption (is that an issue?), or stream the instructions to the craft (making it vulnerable to jamming and delays)?

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Post by pohuing »

ben_w wrote: post #38
coldtea wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What does that even mean?! Will this take the Christian path of forgiving our enemies, turning the other cheek, and giving our shirts to people who steal our cloaks? No, he means more of the Old Testament variety of ethics.

Great, the AI will be making regular pilgrimages to the (no longer existent) Temple in Jerusalem to offer burned sacrifices.

In the best case anyways. If there's an issue with Egypt we can expect autonomous bombers dropping dummy bombs, followed by engineered locusts and gene targeted pest.

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Post by ben_w »

pohuing wrote: post #43
ben_w wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great, the AI will be making regular pilgrimages to the (no longer existent) Temple in Jerusalem to offer burned sacrifices.

In the best case anyways. If there's an issue with Egypt we can expect autonomous bombers dropping dummy bombs, followed by engineered locusts and gene targeted pest.

By Qetesh, I forgot about that one.

Also better hope the AI doesn't start flinging comets our way to trigger a global flood; the divine rainbow pledge doesn't seem to bind other agents?

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Post by throwaway6734 »

pessimizer wrote: post #22
throwaway6734 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's specifically wrong about the first crusade? It was in response to the rise of the seljuk Turks and their advance on the Byzantines and also similar to the Muslim invasions of the middle east, northern africa, southern italy, and spain. That area of the world had changed hands between Rome and Persia for hundreds of years before then as well.

Ah, the Crusades were good because the Moors invading Europe was good? Or is this another case of "You say what we did was bad, but people who I think are terrible also did the same thing, therefore what we did was actually good!" I guess this adds "also other people did things like that" to it, but are you saying anything here you couldn't also say about slavery or serial killing?

People should be judged relative to their time.

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Post by tamimio »

Just like how Judeo-Christian roots ensured US military drones were/are used ethically? Cyberspace shady tactics?! Or the same roots that govern all military and intelligence operations, subverting nations, orchestrating coups, and obviously wars primarily only going after oil and drugs?! Sure.

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Post by tamimio »

plorg wrote: post #30
CodeAndCuffs wrote: post #6

What does that even mean?! Will this take the Christian path of forgiving our enemies, turning the other cheek, and giving our shirts to people who steal our cloaks? Is he saying that military AI should specifically target Philistines and the uncircumcised? Will the military AI enslave people but give them the option of freedom or permanent servitude after 7 years? You can't base something on Judeo-Christian ethics b…

It could also mean anything from "killing Muslims is fine" to "pursuing a millenialist apocalypse", because "Judeo-Christian" is a political idea more than a moral/ethical or religious one. It contains the idea that Christians and Jews (generally meaning the modern categories) are allies (particularly excluding Islam which contains the same religious origins), but even in that move when people describe something as J…

>because "Judeo-Christian" is a political idea more than a moral/ethical or religious one.

Spot on! What’s even more ironic is that Christianity isn’t even western or European.

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Post by tamimio »

InitialLastName wrote: post #16
throwawaysleep wrote: post #4

I don't want a military force that considers ethics at all. That's how we end up losing all over the world.

The US military wasn't exactly known for its ethical conduct in Vietnam, so I'm not sure we can blame losing on the ethics.

Nor Iraq/Afghanistan.

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Post by coldtea »

pessimizer wrote: post #23
coldtea wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Judeo-Christianity here just means Old+New testament. They just didn't use that terminology back then, but the notion was very much the same.

So "Judeo-Christianity" in this context is just a euphemism for "Christianity." > What has become known as the People's Crusade passed through Germany and indulged in wide-ranging anti-Jewish activities, including the Rhineland massacres.

>So "Judeo-Christianity" in this context is just a euphemism for "Christianity."

Yes, as it's more often than not used. It's basically "what evolved as Christiatity, through the adoption of Judean-originating ways of belief" (as opposed to pagan ones).

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