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Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists
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Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists
#42At which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? I'm thinking we're still really far away. Migration from areas that become uninhabitable is still weak. And it doesn't look like any state that has substantial military/commercial/political power is interested in starti…
The German Greens are slowly inching towards nuclear, now the original 1980s membership are dying off and the Gazprom funding is running out: https://www.dw.com/en/german-greens-lay-out-nuclear-power-po...
I don't know what are you talking about. They have literally just pressured the ruling coalition to shut down all remaining nuclear power plants.
Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists
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The German Greens are slowly inching towards nuclear, now the original 1980s membership are dying off and the Gazprom funding is running out: https://www.dw.com/en/german-greens-lay-out-nuclear-power-po...
I don't know what are you talking about. They have literally just pressured the ruling coalition to shut down all remaining nuclear power plants.
Sigh. Oligarch money still flowing, then.
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Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists
#45At which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? I'm thinking we're still really far away. Migration from areas that become uninhabitable is still weak. And it doesn't look like any state that has substantial military/commercial/political power is interested in starti…
The right has been accused of denialism for decades at this point, but any time solutions they might be in favor of are proposed, the left gives us hysterics about how geo-engineering is too dangerous to contemplate. This leads me to believe that they're lying about how important it is to them. Supposedly, it is a world-ending scenario... at least when it comes to wrecking economies. But the moment real fixes are dis…
The expert opinions that I've seen so far have indicated that geoengineering at any scale that we're realistically able to produce on a short notice is unlikely to have a sufficient effect on climate change. Essentially it's a pipe dream at best, and a way to create additional (localised) disasters at worst.
If the only proper argument for doing it is that "the left" is against it and "the right" is for it, that seems comparatively weak.
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Leaving aside the small matter of your entire take here being utterly wrong, there's this:
> Even since the last ice age, within the existence of humanity, seas have risen 120 METERS. It had absolutely nothing to do with human activity.
Do, seriously, check your sources.
Now, go to the actual papers they cite.
Now read them very very carefully.
Do they actually say that global sea level changed by hundreds of metres?
Or do they in fact discuss how tide marks on land forms (such as the UK and Antartica) show how the land forms rose by hundreds of metres after the massive weight of glaciers retreated?
ie. Do they point out that other landforms (that had no glaciers or a more solid basin) have no such record of changing tide marks.
I realise that this is fine detail stuff and you're clearly not a detail orientated person .. but do look into it.
Best regards.
Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists
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The "radical" solutions are not just throwing more technology at the problems. That's how we got ourselves into this mess in the first place. The solution is to stop mindless consumption. We use the same material to wrap and bake food and drink unhealthy drinks as we do to build airplanes. We use plastic for use cases that take place over seconds and minutes and then throw it away. We drive everywhere because of poor…
Have you ever heard of poorer countries? Do you think that over the next decades they'll pursue basic life luxuries such as hospitals, brick and concrete houses, steel reinforced cities, asphalt roads, a car per family? It helps to look at world's energy production and consumption breakdowns.
I'm not sure what your point is or what you're responding to.
Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists
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> At which point do you think humanity will start seriously thinking about radical solutions? You mean, like, switching to a vegan diet, using public transport and stop flying? Those seem radical enough for most people in the Northern Hemisphere. > Such as detonating thermonuclear weapons to throw enough dust above the troposphere to cool the planet down? Weird world, one in which people can consider drastically chan…
Individual decisions like that are only good for making yourself feel good about doing something, but it’s close to meaningless when it comes to actually solving it. It’s systemic solutions that are needed. Some of those may include disincentivizing consumption. But it’s also not simple given that in many places there’s serious pushback against that. And also the economic cost. Everything is interwoven. I wish people…
This study[0] and several other studies by UN, Oxford Uni etc disagree with you. The single best thing an individual can do is immensely reduce or completely avoid meat and dairy. Imagine millions and millions of people doing this, behavioural change will trigger system’s change.
It’s something we can do today, just need to decide whether having a burger is more important or not.
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I don't know what are you talking about. They have literally just pressured the ruling coalition to shut down all remaining nuclear power plants.
Sigh. Oligarch money still flowing, then.
I don't think that explains it. Many Green voters experience some sort of self-hatered, they claim humanity is a disease, etc. In particular many voters do not want nuclear power at all.
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Individual decisions like that are only good for making yourself feel good about doing something, but it’s close to meaningless when it comes to actually solving it. It’s systemic solutions that are needed. Some of those may include disincentivizing consumption. But it’s also not simple given that in many places there’s serious pushback against that. And also the economic cost. Everything is interwoven. I wish people…
Removing subsidies on meat production and flying are the systemic variants of those individual choices. People would be vegan no-flyers in no time.
Or we’d return to the meat/travel consumption patterns of the early 20th century: trans-Atlantic trips being a once-in-a-lifetime thing or once-every-few-years for the well-off, and the Sunday roast/chicken being the highlight meal of the week.