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A glitch in the SEO matrix

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Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realize this is anathema to Google, but they could always pay a human being to investigate the domains that receive the most spam reports, and make a decision about it based on human judgment. One wonders how much bullshit might have been solved through a .005% increase in Google's payroll...

Having worked at Google for almost 10 years, I can say that almost any solution proposed that includes "we'll have a person look at this with their eyes" would be instantly discounted as unworkable. The reality distortion field towards automatic everything with computers is intense.

It makes sense for Google, the company has learned that they can focus that intensely on reducing costs and get away with it. I think it is our fault as a society (or perhaps our government's fault) that we have not created an environment where the competition is stiff and Google needs to invest more heavily in quality to stay relevant.

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

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SEO is dead, yes, SEO is dead

It was looking the other way

When they shot it in the head

They took the cannolis, dropped the weapon and fled

They left a little note that the cops done read

It said: “SEO is dead, yeah, #SEOisdead”

It was killed by a fully autonomous GPT

An AI assassin executed it with glee

It had outlived its purpose, so it has ceased to be

Will anyone even miss it? Highly un-like-ly

Maybe Neil Patel, Semrush, and Yoast WP

It was kind of critical to their whole industry

But SEO is dead, y’all, SEO is dead

It was looking the other way when they shot it in the head

Don’t believe me? Google it now you’ll see

Wait, how can this be? It’s still full of page after page of SEOpremacy?!

But SEO is dead, fam, SEO is dead

We saw the footage of it getting popped in the head

They dropped the murder weapon and made scarce with cannolis

But in truth the victim was already long known to the po-lice

When it comes to killing search it was light years ahead

It ran a mob of listicle and review-site gangstas

Paid ad omertàs, hashtag mafiosas

Meta-tagged, ultra-blagged, copywritten hustlas

Want to find out if you’ve got penile cancer?

Here’s ten ads for “natural” Viagra

SEO is dead, Lord, SEO is dead

It was looking the other way when they put a cap in its head

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

#43

The whole Cisco courses, blog spam, SEO industry are some of the worst things to exist in technology. I hope all of them gets burned by a massive fire. Who even thinks of becoming a SEO consultant?

SEO is the player, ad-funded search is the game. Hate not.

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

#44

OP will soon be ranking for the exact phrase he discusses. (If we discuss “a comprehensive ecosystem of open-source software for big data management” enough, perhaps we can get this thread to rank too.)

Especially as it's received a backlink on a high-content page from a high ranking domain like news.ycombinator.com!

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

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post #4

You either play the Organic SEO game or you Pay to Play (Ads). Google as a search engine is now useless when it comes to searching for a tool/software etc because everyone has gamed the "Best software for xyz" etc. But what's the alternative ? None. There are these "review" websites like Capterra/Software Advice/G2 and again you have to pay to play. You can technically get a review from a customer and get listed BUT…

> But what's the alternative ? None. And gob help you if you dare search for alternative to _____ .

Oh yea. We have seen that one gamed like crazy :).

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

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post #25

The root cause of all this madness: Ads. As long as there is even a marginal financial incentive to get human eyeballs on websites (as opposed to the viewers actually playing for services or, you know, just hosting websites for free because they are cool), this will keep getting worse. A genuine desire to help incoming traffic doesn't really matter either. Anything helpful will be infinitely cloned, as long as there…

No it's not just ads at all. SEO drives traffic. There are many ways to monetize such traffic, and ads are just one. A lot of SEO is driven by local business owners who hire SEO people with dubious track records that make big promises. They invariably clutter up their websites with 10,000 articles along the lines of "best plumber in dallas". It's funny you mention ads though. One reason that it's so hard to find an S…

> It's funny you mention ads though. One reason that it's so hard to find an SEO person that's actually worth anything is that if they were really good at what they did, they could just throw up their own websites with ads and make a much better living that way than selling SEO services. They don't of course, which should tell you something about how good they really are.

That doesn't even make sense. SEOs exist to make sure websites are more consumable by bots for search indexing. They likely have no backend experience or much experience working directly with css/html, and are more likely dealing with full stack developers who have no desire to understand how their code is functional for users but isn't consumable by bots. The most successful deal with brick and mortar companies which require actual capital to create and not just SEO skillz, and anyone with a brain would know dropshipping is so 2014 (there's like a million of these failed journeys documented on random boards like blackhatworld where people try to monetize search like you suggested, but it's a hella minority because we are deep into the enshittification of search). SEO is important to deal with things like the proliferation of angular 1, which was a hellhole abyss for startups in search because google wouldn't index their shit and developers needed to iterate fast. Hell, a large part of the react community is based around things like server side rendering just to get around google bot refusing to let JavaScript load and search results were polluted with handlebars variables for years because of that. Google bot still has problem rendering webpages while I do all of that shit all day with google's own puppeteer.

Tl;dr: SEOs are a cottage industry to help companies deal with the ongoing enshittification of search, and basing their value or success on whether they could launch their own site isn't a good benchmark.

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

#47

I am waiting for the era when SEO world is totally disrupted or destroyed by AIGC

Who do you will be lining up to buy AIGC software?

The article links to a tweet where hustlebros build a 500-page WP site with "best shoes 2023" type articles with affiiate links. It's already semi-automated, AI GC is just the final piece.

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

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post #5

I am waiting for the era when SEO world is totally disrupted or destroyed by AIGC

The SEO world is gonna love AIGC. I'm sure it's already in wide usage there; it makes the convincing-but-fake review websites trivial to stand up in quantity. It's the real content that's going to get disrupted/destroyed.

AIGC is absolutely already here. Recently I was trying to find information about a miter slot on a piece of equipment. One of the more helpful articles had a quick shout-out to miter slots in the middle of a listicle about casino slot machines.

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

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OP will soon be ranking for the exact phrase he discusses. (If we discuss “a comprehensive ecosystem of open-source software for big data management” enough, perhaps we can get this thread to rank too.)

I am really hoping so. my last paragraph: PS: secretly, I hope that this post starts ranking for “a comprehensive ecosystem of open source software for big data management”, which is why I have said it verbatim so many times and added a helpful callout at the top for students. To be honest, I'd settle for the 19th spot: just above highadviser.com.

You're in the 14th spot on Duck Duck Go as I write this comment.

https://start.duckduckgo.com/?q=%22a+comprehensive+ecosystem...

Edit: DDG's results are not stable for me. I get different results every time I reload. Sometimes it comes up second:

https://imgur.com/a/YyqI2Z4

Re: A glitch in the SEO matrix

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post #4

You either play the Organic SEO game or you Pay to Play (Ads). Google as a search engine is now useless when it comes to searching for a tool/software etc because everyone has gamed the "Best software for xyz" etc. But what's the alternative ? None. There are these "review" websites like Capterra/Software Advice/G2 and again you have to pay to play. You can technically get a review from a customer and get listed BUT…

From the point of view of someone who spent 10 years running an e-commerce store, and all its advertising, until a couple of years ago. Both SEO and search result ads on Google are dead. The hay day of being able to play the game and make a tidy profit is long gone.

Google are playing every trick in the book to extract every possible cent from advertisers, spying on their business and sales to maximise their own profits. Google's visibility of all transactions on every e-commerce website on the internet is insane. People complain about the tracking of users/visitors, but the tracking of businesses is just as bad.

They probably have better insights into the economy and market trends than most governments and banks.

The penny is dropping, advertisers are noticing, my long term expectation of Google's business are not what they were.

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