We are still in the stage of these groups being very amateurish. It will take few rounds of purges until really committed+careful+smart organizations emerge.
How do you know they haven't already? Committed+careful+smart probably wouldn't issue press releases.
LulzSec brought down by own leader
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#42Oh Fox News. Even when reporting on something legitimately interesting and out of the ordinary, they have to use very un-journalistic phrases like "...allegedly commanded a loosely organized, international team of perhaps thousands of hackers ..." "Perhaps thousands"? Perhaps millions! Perhaps five. Ugh.
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#43Some kid with no record gets thrown in a van by men with guns, and the full force of police psychological manipulation is brought to bear on them. They get told they're irrevocably destined for a lifetime of being brutally raped in the showers.
Is it any surprise that these young men with no experience of foul-play or maliciousness outside of the virtual world fold and turn informer with such regularity?
If I were an active blackhat, I wouldn't talk to anyone, ever. I wouldn't even invent a pseudonym, that's the first step to ending up on fox news.
EDIT: Eric Corley, publisher of 2600, thinks it's one in four: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jun/06/us-hackers-...
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
for the lulz indeed. What a dick, though..
How can anyone with a tiny bit of intelligence claim that he did any wrongdoing by helping the FBI? This does not imply that helping law enforcement is always ethical. In this case, helping law enforcement take down these criminals is not a "dick move".
He broke a trust barrier. He is just as guilty as the peers he just sold out.
Now what? He just sits back and kicks it good while his friends get canned?
Clearly, you would let your friends take a fall for you when you're just as guilty.
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#45This article claims billions of dollars in damage. If this is what the FBI is saying, they are wrong. Lulzsec damages don't even approach a million dollars, most likely. Billions of dollars is how much money it costs to do things like provide universal health care for a small state. The FBI should investigate real cases and not treat a bunch of merry pranksters like they're a bunch of super terrorists.
Costs in hacking cases are mostly measured by time spent investigating & repairing * fully loaded employee costs. If you have to dump a bunch of servers and reload everything and audit your backups the costs rise very quickly.
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#46Oh Fox News. Even when reporting on something legitimately interesting and out of the ordinary, they have to use very un-journalistic phrases like "...allegedly commanded a loosely organized, international team of perhaps thousands of hackers ..." "Perhaps thousands"? Perhaps millions! Perhaps five. Ugh.
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#47How is one of these okay, and the other not?
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#50So a guy hacks github, he's a hero. A guy hacks a bunch of media organizations, and he's a villain. I really don't understand the groupthink these days. How is one of these okay, and the other not?