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Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

#41

DMCA anti-circumvention provisions are regarding tools that circumvent effective access controls. I realize that broken encryption is considered an effective access control in this context despite it being broken, but apps like Newpipe aren't even breaking encryption, right? What aspect of the YouTube servers' behavior can be construed as an effective access control? Is there even a rudimentary secret, that never get…

> I realize that broken encryption is considered an effective access control in this context despite it being broken, but apps like Newpipe aren't even breaking encryption, right?

Encryption isn't the only access control. "Access control" is a pretty loose term. I think of it as being similar to what (in the US) counts as "breaking" in a breaking-and-entering charge: you've "broken into" a place if you had to move anything in order to enter. Even a door that is partially ajar and you had to slightly move it to slip by.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

#42

DMCA anti-circumvention provisions are regarding tools that circumvent effective access controls. I realize that broken encryption is considered an effective access control in this context despite it being broken, but apps like Newpipe aren't even breaking encryption, right? What aspect of the YouTube servers' behavior can be construed as an effective access control? Is there even a rudimentary secret, that never get…

Access to YouTube videos is only "authorized" through YouTube's site and official apps (or yada yada), and YouTube videos are copyrighted material. YouTube has technological measures to ensure that you only watch YouTube videos that way. If you circumvent those technology measures, that's prima facie a DMCA violation, no? The definition of circumvention of a technology measure is extremely broad including "to avoid,…

Sure, but I'm trying to grok the essence of the technological measure being used by YouTube.

I have to imagine that merely offering terms of service doesn't constitute a technological measure, and nor would merely slicing up the response in a DASH-like manner [0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Adaptive_Streaming_ove...

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

#43

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I'm completely anti advert. They declared war on civilization 20 years ago and don't deserve to be treated as anything but a parasitic cultural disease. It didn't have to be this way, but that's where they took us.

As long as you avoid things that are paid for by ads, there's no moral problem.

We're under no moral obligation to play by their rules. Read Rules for Radicals.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

#44
post #41

DMCA anti-circumvention provisions are regarding tools that circumvent effective access controls. I realize that broken encryption is considered an effective access control in this context despite it being broken, but apps like Newpipe aren't even breaking encryption, right? What aspect of the YouTube servers' behavior can be construed as an effective access control? Is there even a rudimentary secret, that never get…

> I realize that broken encryption is considered an effective access control in this context despite it being broken, but apps like Newpipe aren't even breaking encryption, right? Encryption isn't the only access control. "Access control" is a pretty loose term. I think of it as being similar to what (in the US) counts as "breaking" in a breaking-and-entering charge: you've "broken into" a place if you had to move an…

I agree. But what is the thing being moved here, in technical (rather than legal) terms?

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

#45

Any good equivalent to Newpipe for iOS? I'm using Video Lite so I only get one ad when opening the app. I'd like to have SponsorBlock like some Newpipe versions have and no ads at all.

I just use the brave browser on ios it blocks ads ootb

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Access to YouTube videos is only "authorized" through YouTube's site and official apps (or yada yada), and YouTube videos are copyrighted material. YouTube has technological measures to ensure that you only watch YouTube videos that way. If you circumvent those technology measures, that's prima facie a DMCA violation, no? The definition of circumvention of a technology measure is extremely broad including "to avoid,…

Sure, but I'm trying to grok the essence of the technological measure being used by YouTube. I have to imagine that merely offering terms of service doesn't constitute a technological measure, and nor would merely slicing up the response in a DASH-like manner [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Adaptive_Streaming_ove...

Well... here's the dumb thing. The DASH-like manner (or, "rolling cipher" as they like to call it) has currently held up as being an effective protection measure. It comes up all the time when RIAA in particular sues YouTube stream-rippers.

https://torrentfreak.com/deciphering-youtubes-rolling-cypher...

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

#47
post #41

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> I realize that broken encryption is considered an effective access control in this context despite it being broken, but apps like Newpipe aren't even breaking encryption, right? Encryption isn't the only access control. "Access control" is a pretty loose term. I think of it as being similar to what (in the US) counts as "breaking" in a breaking-and-entering charge: you've "broken into" a place if you had to move an…

I agree. But what is the thing being moved here, in technical (rather than legal) terms?

I don't know in this particular piece of software. I'm just saying that an "effective access control" can be something very trivial. It doesn't have to be anything as sophisticated as encryption.

Just to speculate, it could be something like using the user's login credentials.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

#48

DMCA anti-circumvention provisions are regarding tools that circumvent effective access controls. I realize that broken encryption is considered an effective access control in this context despite it being broken, but apps like Newpipe aren't even breaking encryption, right? What aspect of the YouTube servers' behavior can be construed as an effective access control? Is there even a rudimentary secret, that never get…

Access to YouTube videos is only "authorized" through YouTube's site and official apps (or yada yada), and YouTube videos are copyrighted material. YouTube has technological measures to ensure that you only watch YouTube videos that way. If you circumvent those technology measures, that's prima facie a DMCA violation, no? The definition of circumvention of a technology measure is extremely broad including "to avoid,…

DMCA 1201 isn't just a crap law. It's completely unworkable, as has been known since before it was passed.

Suppose Bob is in the business of duplicating public domain US government works. He downloads videos from the NASA website, presses them onto DVDs and sells them on eBay. He can do this without anybody's permission because DVDs are from the mid-90s and the patents are expired. He uses the same DVD format as Hollywood so people can watch them on their existing DVD players, but he also makes a free DVD player app for Linux so people can watch his DVDs or rip them or do whatever they want because they're in the public domain. It can also do the same with any other DVDs, because it's the exact same format. Is Bob breaking the law?

Now suppose Bob is a jerk who is doing this with public domain works without providing anyone a way to exercise their right to copy them, or doing it to enforce contractually unlawful license terms or something like that. Is someone who makes a tool to thwart Bob breaking the law? If so the law could have (more) First Amendment problems, to say nothing of the obvious unreasonableness. But if not then it's a worthless law because anyone could use that as a justification to break anything. Which it is regardless because it has never been effective at suppressing the availability circumvention tools, only at should-be-impermissible abuses like prohibiting interoperability to prop up existing monopolies.

It's also notable that NASA publishes many videos on YouTube. As in, only on YouTube.

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

#49

NewPipe is excellent. I was disappointed that it was not available for desktop until I discovered tartube which will download video files from almost any website easily

JDownloader, youtube-dl, yt-dlp and many others can also download YouTube videos (and hundreds of other sites). Yes, the last two are command line tools, but if you put them on your desktop you can just drag&drop any YouTube-link on them and it will download it for you

Re: Newpipe.net removed from Google search results due to DMCA take down request

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There a version of the NewPipe app which contains the SponsorBlock plugin. I use it since months and can't watch YouTube videos without it anymore.

I block ads not because I'm completely anti-advert. I'm anti being-stalked-through-my-entire-life-and-having-my-details-sold-like-I'm-a-cheap-peice-of-meat, and unfortunately ATM blocking that also means blocking most online adverts. So I draw the line before sponsorblock. At least the content creators get a better cut of that than they get from YouTube monetisation & youtube can't take it away from them as easily at…

If you use NewPipe then there is virtually no difference if you view the sponsor part or not?
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