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Re: The New York Times to disband its sports department

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Post by antigonemerlin »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #9
delfinom wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, I subscribe to the NYT but they've been pushing more and more opinion articles to the top that seem to really be about gaslighting their subscribers. Recent example, there was a opinion piece about "how people were obsessed with the rich people in the sub but not the migrants in the mediterranean" roughly. You know, completely gaslighting the fact that the readers had zero say in the coverage decisions of t…

I subscribed for a good while to both Wall Street Journal and New York Times, because it was very entertaining to watch how clearly biased they both were, and how conniving the presentation of seeming propaganda benefiting the two main parties was. Several months ago it got boring, and i cancelled both. I made accounts on APnews and Reuters, and it seems that the signal to noise ratio skyrocketed.

God bless the good reporters who put a one paragraph article into one paragraph, unlike some reporters who insist on stretching it out into an entire essay that says nothing.

And they use bullet points! Bullet points!

Edit: Not AP News, or at least not the front facing site. Either they have redesigned it, or I can't find it anymore, but I swear to god there was a news agency site which published stories with bullet points.

Re: The New York Times to disband its sports department

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Post by asfgisroshnio »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #39
ramraj07 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Outside of this weird polarization/persecution fetish bubble a lot of Americans seem to be in, the nytimes seems to be doing a decent job trying to be centrist with a left tinge. If it looks too leftist, consider for a moment that you might be the one who’s starting to fall too far off on the right end. I think the pandemic played a big number on entitled people suddenly being asked to do things out of their cho…

> consider for a moment that you might be the one who’s starting to fall too far off on the right end Putting off the New York Times specifically for a moment, this is a "no true scotsman" fallacy. Example: "The New York Times is not that left-wing, and all centrists realize this." "Many centrists think they are getting more left-wing." "No true centrist would think that, therefore, they aren't centrists."

"Beef is not vegan, and all vegans realize this."

"Many vegans think it is vegan."

"No true vegan would think that, therefore, they aren't vegans."

No True Scotsman is about a particular form of reasoning, not any sentence that includes the word "true". It's a form of ad-hoc rationalization where someone rejects counterexamples out of hand. ramraj07 wasn't really making a generalization, and the rejection of the "counterexample" was neither ad-hoc nor unjustified. Many people outside the U.S. have always viewed the American "left" as right-wing, and this is justified because American politics actually are right-wing compared to much of the world.

Re: The New York Times to disband its sports department

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Post by ramraj07 »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #39
ramraj07 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From Outside of this weird polarization/persecution fetish bubble a lot of Americans seem to be in, the nytimes seems to be doing a decent job trying to be centrist with a left tinge. If it looks too leftist, consider for a moment that you might be the one who’s starting to fall too far off on the right end. I think the pandemic played a big number on entitled people suddenly being asked to do things out of their cho…

> consider for a moment that you might be the one who’s starting to fall too far off on the right end Putting off the New York Times specifically for a moment, this is a "no true scotsman" fallacy. Example: "The New York Times is not that left-wing, and all centrists realize this." "Many centrists think they are getting more left-wing." "No true centrist would think that, therefore, they aren't centrists."

It’s not exactly rocket science to substantiate my position. Nyt regularly publishes opinion pieces from quite right wing people. Their editorial stance also often call out clearly problematic extreme left views (like Lea Thomas controversy).

Re: The New York Times to disband its sports department

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Post by ChrisArchitect »

Doesn't seem that crazy, consolidation etc, and they have been slowly pushing The Athletic on their main social accounts and stuff (which is a bit annoying, if I wanted The Athletic, I'd follow The Athletic)

But what's interesting is how Athletic will become the print Sports page content provider too? Does The Athletic even cover like sports 'games'? Always thought of it as a longread/blog site. Like, don't expect The Athletic to cover how a playoff game went last night or whatever.

Re: The New York Times to disband its sports department

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Post by jjtheblunt »

antigonemerlin wrote: post #41
jjtheblunt wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I subscribed for a good while to both Wall Street Journal and New York Times, because it was very entertaining to watch how clearly biased they both were, and how conniving the presentation of seeming propaganda benefiting the two main parties was. Several months ago it got boring, and i cancelled both. I made accounts on APnews and Reuters, and it seems that the signal to noise ratio skyrocketed.

God bless the good reporters who put a one paragraph article into one paragraph, unlike some reporters who insist on stretching it out into an entire essay that says nothing. And they use bullet points! Bullet points! Edit: Not AP News, or at least not the front facing site. Either they have redesigned it, or I can't find it anymore, but I swear to god there was a news agency site which published stories with bullet…

Axios is (i think) unreadable in that way

Re: The New York Times to disband its sports department

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Post by massysett »

DaveExeter wrote: post #26
Analemma_ wrote: post #13

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Most markets with zero distribution and switching costs are winner-take-all. The only reason newspapers were regional to begin with was that it cost a lot of money to print and ship them, once the Internet made that stop being true, the natural equilibrium was toward only a few large papers and the rest dying off.

That's not it. Newspapers used to have a monopoly on advertising, at least in the local area. Once they lost their monopoly they were no longer financially viable.

They never had a monopoly: direct mail, billboards, Yellow Pages, TV, radio, leaflets…

Re: The New York Times to disband its sports department

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Post by local_crmdgeon »

fullshark wrote: post #21
goodbyesf wrote: post #14

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> The left leaning NY times, and the right leaning WSJ Neither are left or right. They are both serve the interest of the same ambidextrous elite. Also, in the internet era, all newspapers are 'national' ( or even 'international' ) since they are all equally accessible by the population via their news feeds. All news essentially has national or global distribution now.

Populist papers will be in front of paywalls.

Breitbart and Jacobin confirm this statement.

Re: The New York Times to disband its sports department

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Post by readonthegoapp »

The Times' sports journalism is/was the ish.

It was basically the best reporting you could find on sports, which i guess makes sense.

One of the things i liked about it was that it was actually detached, somewhat objective -- the Athletic has said they are PR for the teams they cover -- that's not me saying it, that's them.

Whenever i stumble on an Athletic article, i'll be reading it and then be like...wait, this sucks, this must be from the Athletic, then maybe grudingly finish it.

If i was a paying subscriber i'd be unhappy about this.

sports is not just sports. welp.

...

https://archive.ph/AfXbq

...

reminds me of corey doctorow's use of the term enshittification.

Re: The New York Times to disband its sports department

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Post by alejohausner »

Good riddance! I got tired of opening the sports section to find another story about how violent athletes are to their spouses, or how unfair high schools are to transgender women. It seemed like the writers were more concerned about signaling their virtuous views of social issues, laundering their own privileged backgrounds by pretending to care.

Sports writing isn't about human rights or social issues. It is about contention, about struggle. As George Orwell put it,

"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence: in other words it is war minus the shooting."

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