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‘Gay furries’ group hacks agencies in US states attacking gender-affirming care

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The key distinction here is these laws limit gender affirming care for minors.

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>In fact, "trans kids" has never been a thing until about two or three years ago.

I didn't know I was still a child as recently as 2020. I remember fondly having a girls' theater night to see Shrek with my mom and sister, but I must have hallucinated all of it!

Trans kids are just as much a thing as cis kids and have been for just as long. The existence of a thing is not dependant on it being in the public consciousness.

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Puberty blockers have been administered as a valid treatment for precocious puberty for many decades. All of the bans on them specifically still allow them to be used for this purpose, because they are indeed safe enough. It's just that people don't like the idea of children being transgender, probably because it reminds them that they could potentially have a gay or transgender child. The Alan Turing lie is laughabl…

>Agnes Torres Being intersex is very rare and unfortunate, and I am sympathetic to those with such birth defects. However, the explosion in "trans kids" has nothing to do with being intersex and has everything to do with being a mental craze. There is no explanation for feelings of "gender dysphoria" rising by 1000% among young girls except for it being a mental craze, with all the encouragement and support among the…

> Being intersex is very rare and unfortunate, and I am sympathetic to those with such birth defects.

Agnes Torres was not intersex, she was merely classed as such which allowed her to live a normal life. Funny enough, your comment itself shows why this was successful. You see intersex as more legitimate and because of that you "give it a pass."

Agnes Torres was transgender, but was treated as legitimate back in the 1950's. Being treated like a normal human being allowed her to live a good life back then, free from hate.

It goes to show, if people would just allow trans people to live their lives, they could blend in with society. The thing holding them back is just... prejudice. How sad.

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Have you ever had a conversation with a trans person? Quality of life for trans people that get the privilege of blockers is enormously higher than their counterparts. They've been in use for decades; it's not new. I cannot imagine a greater horror then having gender dysphoria, knowing exactly what is wrong, and still being forced to go through the wrong puberty (which does inflict irreparable harm, for us) because s…

I'm talking about children. Look at the charts here. [1] Why is the number of children experiencing this "gender dysphoria" skyrocketing? It should be linear, not exponential. There is a mental craze driving this, which is extremely profitable for the medical industry. This industry is preying on children to make a profit, justifying all the research on the small percentage of trans adults that actually need this tre…

Why would it be linear? The reasons it's increasing is because people no longer feel as much pressure to hide their true identity. It's the same reason that the number of left handed people doubled from 1920 to 1960 [1], it's not a conspiracy it's just the way social norms work

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/07/americas-...

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Have you ever had a conversation with a trans person? Quality of life for trans people that get the privilege of blockers is enormously higher than their counterparts. They've been in use for decades; it's not new. I cannot imagine a greater horror then having gender dysphoria, knowing exactly what is wrong, and still being forced to go through the wrong puberty (which does inflict irreparable harm, for us) because s…

I'm talking about children. Look at the charts here. [1] Why is the number of children experiencing this "gender dysphoria" skyrocketing? It should be linear, not exponential. There is a mental craze driving this, which is extremely profitable for the medical industry. This industry is preying on children to make a profit, justifying all the research on the small percentage of trans adults that actually need this tre…

> Why is the number of children experiencing this "gender dysphoria" skyrocketing

because it's more socially acceptable to discuss these issues than it was 50 years ago...

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And yet, Lupron has been used since the 1970's to treat precocious puberty and every single ban on using it for gender affirming care still allows it to be administered for that purpose. Medical associations also approve its use, in both cases. When the people against it are only against it for one group of people, and doctors by and large disagree with them, it makes me suspicious that their motives are not based in…

> only against it for one group of people People aren't against any group of people, they're against administering a damaging and potentially life-ruining treatment to perfectly healthy children.

Children with gender dysphoria are not "perfectly healthy."

They have a serious problem. The level of hubris in assuming that all these heterosexual parents, many of them conservative, would just up and decide to "trans" their kids is outstanding.

Whatever makes people trans is immutable. Every possible way has been tried to "fix" them, by making them happy as their assigned sex. All the attempts just led to broken people, many of whom killed themselves.

The gall to just insert yourself into the lives of these kids and their families, without understanding their struggles or knowing them, and trying to take away the one proven path to them having a happy successful life is really something to behold.

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We'll probably look at what's happening today the same way we look at lobotomies. It's quite scary. As usual, those people are trying to address the symptoms, not the cause.

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> which mirrors the rhetoric today where people falsely claim that transgender people are "turning" children trans...

The number of trans kids doubled from 2017-2020[0]

Do you think that’s organic change?

[0]https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/science/transgender-teena...

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> Puberty blockers have been administered as a valid treatment for precocious puberty for many decades. That's a different treatment though, because puberty eventually resumes. Halting it entirely is more akin to the castrati children [1] who had their puberty physically blocked through removal of testicles. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrato

Puberty blockers are not permanent [1] they're taken until people start hormone therapy at which point they go through normal puberty [1] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/gender-dyspho...

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Gay people don't require any medical interventions to be gay, so it's not really the same thing. If the transgender identity is innate, why are there so many detransitioners coming out recently? Something has clearly gone very wrong.

This is a base rate error. There are so many more trans people recently because it became socially acceptable to be openly trans somewhere around 2014. The watershed moment was probably Caitlyn Jenner on the cover of Time.

Even among those of us who detrans (on the order of magnitude of 1%), at least 95% do so not because they were wrong, but because coming out invited reprisals which made their life too difficult to continue (losing home, family, job, etc.) The first study I was able to find puts that proportion at 97.6%. [0] My Fermi estimate puts your "so many" at one in 5000 or so.

[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8213007/

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Puberty is an incredibly complicated process, involving innumerable intertwined signaling pathways, gene expression changes, physical and mental changes, etc. We are only beginning to understand it all; to think we can just "pause" it like an MP3 player is the height of hubris. These experimental treatments have many potential negative side effects, including osteoporosis and infertility. Teenagers who feel insecure…

For the record people that transition, AT ALL AGES, overwhelmingly stay that way and do not regret their decision.

* Here is the [*APA's policy statement*](http://www.apa.org/about/policy/transgender.aspx) on the necessity and efficacy of transition as the appropriate treatment for gender dysphoria. More from the APA [*here*](http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/programs/transgender/?tab=1)

* Here is an [*AMA resolution*](http://www.tgender.net/taw/ama_resolutions.pdf) on the efficacy and necessity of transition as appropriate treatment for gender dysphoria, and call for an end to insurance companies categorically excluding transition-related care from coverage

* A policy statement from the [*American College of Physicians*](http://annals.org/aim/article/2292051/lesbian-gay-bisexual-t...)

* [*Here*](https://assets2.hrc.org/files/documents/SupportingCaringforT...) are the American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines

* [*Here*](https://www.aafp.org/dam/AAFP/documents/events/alf_ncsc/Educ...) is a resolution from the American Academy of Family Physicians

* [*Here*](https://www.socialworkers.org/assets/secured/documents/da/da...) is one from the National Association of Social Workers

---- *Citations on the transition's dramatic reduction of suicide risk while improving mental health and quality of life, with trans people able to transition young and spared abuse and discrimination having mental health and suicide risk on par with the general public:*

* [*Bauer, et al., 2015*](http://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s1...): Transition vastly reduces risks of suicide attempts, and the farther along in transition someone is the lower that risk gets

* [*Moody, et al., 2013*](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3722435/): The ability to transition, along with family and social acceptance, are the largest factors reducing suicide risk among trans people

* [*Young Adult Psychological Outcome After Puberty Suppression and Gender Reassignment*](http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/09/...). A clinical protocol of a multidisciplinary team with mental health professionals, physicians, and surgeons, including puberty suppression, ... cross-sex hormones and gender reassignment surgery, provides trans youth the opportunity to develop into well-functioning young adults. All showed significant improvement in their psychological health, and they had notably lower rates of internalizing psychopathology than previously reported among trans children living as their natal sex. *Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population.*

* The only disorders more common among trans people are those associated with abuse and discrimination - mainly anxiety and depression. Early transition [*virtually eliminates these higher rates of depression and low self-worth*](http://www.jaacap.com/article/S0890-8567%2816%2931941-4/full...), and [*dramatically improves trans youth's mental health*](https://archive.thinkprogress.org/allowing-transgender-youth...). *Trans kids who socially transition early and not subjected to abuse are comparable to cisgender children in measures of mental health.*

* [*Dr. Ryan Gorton*](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3219066): “In a cross-sectional study of 141 transgender patients, Kuiper and Cohen-Kittenis found that after medical intervention and treatments, suicide fell from 19% to 0% in transgender men and from 24% to 6% in transgender women”

* [*Murad, et al., 2010*](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19473181): "Significant decrease in suicidality post-treatment. The average reduction was from 30 percent pretreatment to 8 percent post treatment.

* [*De Cuypere, et al., 2006*](http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1158136006...): Rate of suicide attempts dropped from 29.3 percent to 5.1 percent after receiving medical treatment among Dutch patients treated from 1986-2001.

* [*UK study - McNeil, et al., 2012*](https://www.scottishtrans.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/tra...): "Suicidal ideation and actual attempts reduced after transition, with 63% thinking about or attempting suicide more before they transitioned and only 3% thinking about or attempting suicide more post-transition.

* [*Smith Y, 2005*](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15842032): Participants improved on 13 out of 14 mental health measures after treatment

* [*Lawrence, 2003*](http://link.springer.com/article/10.1023/A:1024086814364): Surveyed post-op trans folk: "Participants reported overwhelmingly that they were happy with their SRS results and that SRS had greatly improved the quality of their lives

* [*Reduction in Mental Health Treatment Utilization Among Transgender Individuals After Gender-Affirming Surgeries: A Total Population Study*](https://sci-hub.se/https://doi.org/10.1176/appi.ajp.2019.190...) - "*Conclusions:* "... the longitudinal association between gender-affirming surgery and reduced likelihood of mental health treatment lends support to the decision to provide gender-affirming surgeries to transgender individuals who seek them."

There are a [*lot*](http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24344788) of [*studies*](http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10508-009-9551-1) showing that [*transition*](https://mayoclinic.pure.elsevier.com/en/publications/hormona...) [*improves*](https://www.hindawi.com/journals/tswj/2014/960745/) [*mental health*](http://europepmc.org/abstract/med/25690443) and [*quality of life*](http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-014-0453-5) while [*reducing dysphoria*](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/23553588_Long-term_...).

Not to mention [*this 2010 meta-analysis*](http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1365-2265.2009....) of 28 different studies, which found that transition is extremely effective at reducing dysphoria and improving quality of life.

More stuff:

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/media-s-detransition...

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/doi/10.1542/...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(18)30057-2/fu...

https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/usts/USTS...

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/262734734_An_Analys...

https://epath.eu/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Boof-of-abstract...

https://psychiatry.org/news-room/news-releases/study-finds-l...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8099405/

https://www.gendergp.com/exploring-detransition-with-dr-jack...

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/00380261209346...

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychological-medici...

https://adc.bmj.com/content/107/11/1018

https://doi.org/10.1210/clinem/dgac251

https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(18)30057-2/fu...

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