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A Quick Overview of Matrix

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Re: A Quick Overview of Matrix

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Post by progval »

matricaria wrote: post #38
palata wrote: post #29

I used IRC for 15 years, and then was quite into Matrix (and their bridging) for a while. I used Matrix for 2 years, until I realised that almost all of the channels I used were on IRC. Moving back to IRC, I realised how heavy Matrix seems to be. I understand IRC is very old and lacking a few features, but Matrix seems like a completely overkill solution. It seems so complex that the only way to write a third-party c…

I still wonder if I’m doing thing wrong, if so, please tell me. For me, IRC just doesn’t work. I can’t receive messages when I’m offline. I can’t read what other wrote while i was offline. These for me are just plain red flags. I also can’t search if somebody else asked the same question before. There is no good mobile (iOS) app. I tried Palaver, it’s ok but every other chat app is much better. Lastly, IRC is really…

If the networks you are connecting to don't support persistence / chat history (most don't, because of the technical and legal complications), then you need to either setup a bouncer (pounce, Soju, ZNC), pay someone to host it for you (chat.sr.ht, IRCCloud), or find a free host you feel you can trust (plenty of results when googling "free IRC bouncer")

Re: A Quick Overview of Matrix

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Post by solarkraft »

Arathorn wrote: post #39
3np wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a few pending already (some for a couple of years since last follow-up) and Arathorn saying "don't come talk to us about it" doesn't inspire confidence _at all_.

I'm not going to be at CCCamp. I'm sure the folks who do make it would love to discuss your PRs; I'm sorry if they've ended up getting stuck in review. The point I was making earlier that I am not in a huge rush to talk to someone who is focused on enumerating a whole bunch of complaints at me, issues which I am PAINFULLY aware of already. Managing a FOSS project is miserable at the best of times, and I'd rather focu…

> Managing a FOSS project is miserable at the best of times, and I'd rather focus on fixing the issues (e.g. solving UX hell by shipping Element X) than being berated about how shit we are and how much better we could be.

This is not what I mean to do at all. I am sorry if/that it feels like that. I don't want to berate you, I want to contribute to Matrix. We are of course better off with it than without it - that's the whole reason people care to invest the energy to complain. If it wasn't a project worth caring about, they'd just direct their energy somewhere else.

I really want to help out. My hope voicing my pain points was (besides trying to get them prioritized up) to get information on how to work around and help fix them. Maybe I will be more successful in #matrix.

> I am not in a huge rush to talk to someone who is focused on enumerating a whole bunch of complaints at me

Please consider talking to someone who is bursting with excitement to dedicate time and energy to Matrix.

Thank you for staying engaged. Matrix 2.0!

Re: A Quick Overview of Matrix

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Post by hammyhavoc »

Arathorn wrote: post #39
3np wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have a few pending already (some for a couple of years since last follow-up) and Arathorn saying "don't come talk to us about it" doesn't inspire confidence _at all_.

I'm not going to be at CCCamp. I'm sure the folks who do make it would love to discuss your PRs; I'm sorry if they've ended up getting stuck in review. The point I was making earlier that I am not in a huge rush to talk to someone who is focused on enumerating a whole bunch of complaints at me, issues which I am PAINFULLY aware of already. Managing a FOSS project is miserable at the best of times, and I'd rather focu…

I think both Matrix protocol and Element are some of my favourite pieces of software of all time. Use both every day and love every moment.

As with anything software-related, yes, it can always be better, but neither Matrix nor Element are shit. Fucking love them.

Re: A Quick Overview of Matrix

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Post by Arathorn »

tentacleuno wrote: post #30
Arathorn wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably fair to say that matrix-rust-sdk is the flagship now, not matrix-js-sdk. Yes, js-sdk's doc isn't exhaustive, but http://matrix-org.github.io/matrix-js-sdk/stable/ and guides like https://matrix.org/docs/legacy/usage-of-the-matrix-js-sdk/ tend to be pretty good. In terms of "Matrix sucks because not all clients have good UX" - you could say the same about the Web. Meanwhile Element X kicks ass, and is ra…

The 2nd link you posted has a large red disclaimer stating the documentation is outdated. Does this mean it shouldn't be used ...? If so, why did you link it here?

https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix.org/issues/1916

Re: A Quick Overview of Matrix

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Post by 3np »

solarkraft wrote: post #42
Arathorn wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not going to be at CCCamp. I'm sure the folks who do make it would love to discuss your PRs; I'm sorry if they've ended up getting stuck in review. The point I was making earlier that I am not in a huge rush to talk to someone who is focused on enumerating a whole bunch of complaints at me, issues which I am PAINFULLY aware of already. Managing a FOSS project is miserable at the best of times, and I'd rather focu…

> Managing a FOSS project is miserable at the best of times, and I'd rather focus on fixing the issues (e.g. solving UX hell by shipping Element X) than being berated about how shit we are and how much better we could be. This is not what I mean to do at all. I am sorry if/that it feels like that. I don't want to berate you, I want to contribute to Matrix. We are of course better off with it than without it - that's…

+1 on all of the above.

I'll be at camp as well and happy to meet up. Contact link in bio.

Re: A Quick Overview of Matrix

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Post by tentacleuno »

Arathorn wrote: post #44
tentacleuno wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 2nd link you posted has a large red disclaimer stating the documentation is outdated. Does this mean it shouldn't be used ...? If so, why did you link it here?

https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix.org/issues/1916

That's better, definitely -- though personally I would feel a bit discouraged if I'm looking at a library and the documentation calls itself outdated :-P

Re: A Quick Overview of Matrix

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Post by plantroon »

I got Element on my desktop, Schildichat on my phone. Bridged to all other messengers I used. IRC is handled with Heisenbridge. Before this I used weechat+bitlbee. Matrix is better, more capable, but way heavier, on both the server side and client side. I even dabbled in XMPP but in the end just bridged it into Matrix as it's not much better by itself (though it also supports extensions and can connect to many IM networks). The clients are buggy, especially on Android, they overheat the phone for no reason (when in use. Notifications are handled via push so background usage is great). But XMPP wasn't better in any other way so Matrix remains my go-to solution.
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