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Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by DennisP »

colesantiago wrote: post #36
DennisP wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically ENS names are NFTs, I'd say that's a non-scam use case equivalent to domain names.

Yes, domain names have existed since forever, but I don't see how crypto domain names are any different or changes anything. Does a domain name need a token attached to the service in order to operate? I would say it is still a scam as it is airdropping ENS tokens that were minted out of thin air and insiders pump and dumping the token to make a profit. You can't do that illegal stuff with traditional domain names.

The name itself is the non-fungible token. You just pick your own ENS name and buy it from the system, much like DNS, though they did add a bit of complexity in an attempt to limit name squatting. (ENS later airdropped a fungible token used for things like voting rights, since this is meant to be a decentralized project and there's no reliable way on Ethereum to identify individual people for voting purposes.)

Ethereum is essentially a database, so certainly centralized databases can do similar things. The point is to do them with decentralization, openness, censorship resistance, and an economic model where users pay the expenses as they go. You may or may not think those things are valuable, but some people do; Ethereum and similar projects fill that niche.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by zerohp »

cypress66 wrote: post #3

I can't believe the EU, which has fined Microsoft because of having IE as the default browser, is OK with Apple having a total walled garden in iOS. Which by the way only has one "browser", because other browsers are forced to use the safari engine.

Three companies have wall gardens for game consoles and nobody cares about that. Those three companies own the entire console market. There's no alternative.

Why doesn't the EU do something about that? Why is Apple an exception?

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by this_user »

colesantiago wrote: post #33
photonerd wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original idea behind NFTs is fine. Selling links to JPEGs was not the purpose. I’ve seen them used sensibly for shipment tracking, and such like. They’re great for that.

> I’ve seen them used sensibly for shipment tracking. Why do this when the current system already handles this? This is no unique usecase.

It really isn't, because if you either don't trust the sender or the shipping company, then your real issue is that the shipment or its contents get stolen, not that the shipping information is wrong.

Once again, crypto is trying to solve problems that don't actually exist while completely failing to address the ones that do.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by Pulcinella »

rcoder wrote: post #42

Choose one: 1. Full-on libre: speech, financial flows, technical architecture, etc. (i.e., basically the entire raison d'être for Nostr) -or- 2. Live and work inside the walled garden of Apple + Google's app stores You really can't have it both ways.

I’m happy with the one that doesn’t allow crypto crap.

Also free speech is a practical impossibility. Standard email is a free as it gets and it turns out nobody wants that because if you have completely free speech your inbox gets spammed into oblivion. Everyone draws the line somewhere.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by max_ »

rcoder wrote: post #42

Choose one: 1. Full-on libre: speech, financial flows, technical architecture, etc. (i.e., basically the entire raison d'être for Nostr) -or- 2. Live and work inside the walled garden of Apple + Google's app stores You really can't have it both ways.

You can always give people an effective way to sideload applications.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by siwatanejo »

colesantiago wrote: post #36
DennisP wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically ENS names are NFTs, I'd say that's a non-scam use case equivalent to domain names.

Yes, domain names have existed since forever, but I don't see how crypto domain names are any different or changes anything. Does a domain name need a token attached to the service in order to operate? I would say it is still a scam as it is airdropping ENS tokens that were minted out of thin air and insiders pump and dumping the token to make a profit. You can't do that illegal stuff with traditional domain names.

AFAIU the token is only needed in case you want to participate in the voting of governance events, related to the roadmap of the ENS project. You don't need ENS tokens to register or use ENS domains.

IMO the token might be an illegal security indeed; and if that's the case I hope the SEC crushes them. But in the meantime I'll be using ENS names happily as a user and watch the events with popcorn.

> but I don't see how crypto domain names are any different or changes anything.

It will prevent that a big corp with the court on their side redirect your domain-bought-in-a-complete-legit way to them.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by kibwen »

zerohp wrote: post #43
cypress66 wrote: post #3

I can't believe the EU, which has fined Microsoft because of having IE as the default browser, is OK with Apple having a total walled garden in iOS. Which by the way only has one "browser", because other browsers are forced to use the safari engine.

Three companies have wall gardens for game consoles and nobody cares about that. Those three companies own the entire console market. There's no alternative. Why doesn't the EU do something about that? Why is Apple an exception?

This comment makes it sound like Apple shouldn't be forced to open up their hardware, but the better conclusion is that game consoles should be forced to open up their hardware. This is (allegedly) Hacker News, we should be all for giving people more control over the devices they (allegedly) own.

Re: Apple to Remove Nostr Damus from App Store for Bitcoin Tipping Feature

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Post by josephcsible »

Pulcinella wrote: post #46
rcoder wrote: post #42

Choose one: 1. Full-on libre: speech, financial flows, technical architecture, etc. (i.e., basically the entire raison d'être for Nostr) -or- 2. Live and work inside the walled garden of Apple + Google's app stores You really can't have it both ways.

I’m happy with the one that doesn’t allow crypto crap. Also free speech is a practical impossibility. Standard email is a free as it gets and it turns out nobody wants that because if you have completely free speech your inbox gets spammed into oblivion. Everyone draws the line somewhere.

First they came for the crypto crap, and I did not speak out ... Then they came for me.

And with email, the recipient can choose to override the spam filter. That's key, and is the reason that spam filters aren't censorship.

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