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Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by liminalsunset »

_njyk wrote: post #27
Fej wrote: post #12

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This is really cool, thanks for pointing it out! I have used Eruda and keep it in Tampermonkey in Firefox for use in a pinch but it's hacky. It's impressive that it works at all, but it's very difficult to do any actual work. I already had Kiwi installed and it's neat to pop it open and see this feature hiding in plain sight. I can definitely see myself using it regularly, although I won't use it as a daily driver si…

I’ll do a change in Kiwi edition 116 to make it selectable in the UI (it’s almost a full rewrite of Kiwi and it will go out in about 10 days). Most likely to add a setting to make it optional. The main issue we had was with search partners, if we allow adblocking by default, then search engines still pay for the request, and this means… we pay. And by we, I mean “I” pay :) One solution that some competitors found is…

As a user of Kiwi Browser I find this to be a reasonable approach, and I understand the needs here. I would, however, think that it would have been nice to have a warning for users that are installing one of these extensions along the lines of "This extension might be restricted on certain URLs. Click to learn more". I would find that helpful, paired with the ability to disable it.

This is just because when people install a third party ad blocker, they are expecting a certain type of behaviour, and quietly changing expectations can have bad results for users who require specific functionality.

On an unrelated note, I would appreciate adding a toggle to disable the "Pull to refresh" gesture on Android. I find myself reloading accidentally during scrolling very often, which can result in data loss.

Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by liminalsunset »

_njyk wrote: post #28
Mr_Modulo wrote: post #25

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That is pretty sketchy. Thanks for pointing that out! I've started using Kiwi as my main mobile browser after I got fed up with some issues I was having with Brave.

If you are really really in a rare situation where you want to use Bing and block Bing search ads: kiwi://extensions Press: + (from zip) Load uBlock Origin Finished. Not that dramatic + auto-update works. It would be sketchy to offer an out-of-the-box experience that blocks the search pages of Microsoft and Yahoo (they pay us). Remember the fact that if a browser has an established and visible business model is way b…

Would this still result in creating unnecessary costs for Kiwi Browser? Above I believe it was mentioned that the reason these extensions were disabled was to prevent users from racking up costs for requests to search engines (?) with adblocking enabled

Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

#44

Post by slaymaker1907 »

I’m definitely saving this page for later. It’s such a nightmare trying to debug issues on iOS. Even just having a JS console on the page is invaluable. In the past, I’ve just used the (expensive) virtualization stuff since I don’t own a Mac when writing web stuff to use on my iPhone. Last year, the File System Access API showed as available on iOS even though the origin private (useless) FS was the only portion available.

Rant: the origin private FS is basically pointless and I believe it was only added to the spec so Mozilla and Apple could claim to support the file system access API. It would maybe be useful if Apple didn’t insist on clearing everything out after SEVEN DAYS. How the fuck is seven days persistent? I have apps that are open (in the background)for longer than that.

Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by ncann »

_njyk wrote: post #27
Fej wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is really cool, thanks for pointing it out! I have used Eruda and keep it in Tampermonkey in Firefox for use in a pinch but it's hacky. It's impressive that it works at all, but it's very difficult to do any actual work. I already had Kiwi installed and it's neat to pop it open and see this feature hiding in plain sight. I can definitely see myself using it regularly, although I won't use it as a daily driver si…

I’ll do a change in Kiwi edition 116 to make it selectable in the UI (it’s almost a full rewrite of Kiwi and it will go out in about 10 days). Most likely to add a setting to make it optional. The main issue we had was with search partners, if we allow adblocking by default, then search engines still pay for the request, and this means… we pay. And by we, I mean “I” pay :) One solution that some competitors found is…

Wow are you the author of Kiwi? If so I want to say thank you for the great browser. Initially when I heard about a Chrome-like browser on Android with full extension support I was skeptical, it sounded too good to be true. But it turned out to be exactly that good.

Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by graftak »

slaymaker1907 wrote: post #44

I’m definitely saving this page for later. It’s such a nightmare trying to debug issues on iOS. Even just having a JS console on the page is invaluable. In the past, I’ve just used the (expensive) virtualization stuff since I don’t own a Mac when writing web stuff to use on my iPhone. Last year, the File System Access API showed as available on iOS even though the origin private (useless) FS was the only portion avai…

The extension “Web Inspector” provides you with exactly that, albeit a basic version. It has a console.

Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by saurik »

develatio wrote: post #16
hdidvdksv wrote: post #14

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Oh! I really didn't realise (young?) people don't use computers even for developing purposes. I'm indeed out of touch

Yeah: it really is a different world now: kids--who absolutely should not be locked out of access to development tools--pretty universally only have access to phones and tables, or, at best, a highly locked-down Chromebook; but like, it goes much further than even that: even lawyers I work with--people who you'd think MUST have a full computer--sometimes only work on an iPad!! :(

Re: Devtools for mobile browsers

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

jsmith99 wrote: post #38
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #30

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It states "Unparalled Speed", and testimonies say it's much faster than safari. Since on iOS any browser must use Apple's engine anyway and can only provide a thin layer on top of it, how does that happen?

It's an android app, not iOS.

Ah, got tricked by the quote that was comparing safari on ios with kiwi on one plus 6.
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