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Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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Has-beenternet

Hehe, yes, definitely. The ratio of interesting content:junk would be nice to visualize. In the early days of the web I hardly ever ran into a website that wasn't interesting. /. (why not ./ by the way?) was a nice way to discover new stuff when that ratio first started to decrease.

> (why not ./ by the way?)

My understanding has always been that it's because slashdot sounds really funny when you say the full URL out loud the way they used to on TV:

h-t-t-p colon slash slash slash dot dot org

Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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Hi as well! One day we should do a get together of the people that made the top 100 web sites work prior to 1998 or so. I'm sure there would be lots of interesting stories.

Has-beenternet

I miss suck.com too!

Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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> Hacker News is awesome. It is probably my number one RSS feed right now. But it's getting too big. They've crossed the line that reddit crossed a long time ago. The value on reddit now is on the subreddits, not on the main page. Hacker News is wobbling on that space now. If I could just find someone who made a Hacker News digest, with the 10 best items from Hacker News, that would be a really good Slashdot. Interes…

> Interesting that even at the time he was completely wrong. Within the past few months, I've started to see more low effort comment posting, submissions way outside of what many thing HN on-topic to be, and I've flagged more submissions/comments in the past handful of days than I ever have. HN is becoming something like a proto-popular reddit. EDIT: Since the above sounds like doom-and-gloom for HN, I want to say it…

I feel like I've heard people saying that about HN every month for the past 8 years and I've never observed any real pattern. Think there's just some observation bias going on: a website always seems like it's recently been worse than you remember, at any point in time, because you remember recent bad things but not further back ones.

Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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The moderation and meta-moderation system was a thing of elegant beauty.

I'm till flabbergasted that noone stole it, it worked so well.

I wonder if it would work for HN.

Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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> Hacker News is awesome. It is probably my number one RSS feed right now. But it's getting too big. They've crossed the line that reddit crossed a long time ago. The value on reddit now is on the subreddits, not on the main page. Hacker News is wobbling on that space now. If I could just find someone who made a Hacker News digest, with the 10 best items from Hacker News, that would be a really good Slashdot. Interes…

> Interesting that even at the time he was completely wrong. No, I agree with Malda in general that people don't scale. A population larger that Dunbar's Number[1] acquires too much management scaffolding to retain Edenic charm. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number

I think the problem is that when a user base is small it tends to attract specialists who have sought out that content, and who's contributions make it useful/interesting to others. If the site becomes successful and more mainstream, then it will attract more and more non-specialists - the peanut gallery who have an opinion on everything and expertise on nothing.

I have a 5-digit slashdot user id, and saw this play out over there. In the early days it was great, and (believe it nor not) highly technical - lots of subject matter experts in the comments. If you look at slashdot today it has become entirely useless.

The same thing played out at Reddit on /r/machinelearning - it used to be frequented by researchers and experts, but as ML/AI became popular the crowds moved in and now that too is useless.

I joined Hacker News in 2017, so have no idea how it was before then, but it doesn't seem to have changed much in that timespan, still attracting a mostly technical and intelligent crowd, at least if one ignores the lower rated comments.

Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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Hi as well! One day we should do a get together of the people that made the top 100 web sites work prior to 1998 or so. I'm sure there would be lots of interesting stories.

Has-beenternet

still-ahead-of-its-time.

the new llm craze should make moderation and metamoderation even easier. i think we will see a resurgence of some slashdot inventions, albeit more automated.

collect votes from power users. extrapolate how they would have voted on stories they havent seen. feed people stories based on similar voting patterns, to test if you predicted their votes correctly. maybe a synthesis of two random voters accurately predicts a power voter.

id like to see something akin to a reverse subreddit. instead of having posts, i add 50 people to a list and turn them into a voting block. then i follow multiple voting blocks. i can follow other peoples voting blocks. my feed tells me which voting block elected to show me a story. let teams of people build voting blocks together, collaboratively. different voting blocks can have different purposes, like populism or expertise. being able to stumble into well made, premade blocks solves discovery and initialization problems, without having to bootstrap a feed from a low number of my own votes.

despite having a lot of blogspam, https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-greatest-sitcoms... ranker has a some good reranking ideas (like being able to rerank the list by bbt fan votes.)

https://wikiless.org/wiki/Circa_News?lang=en is another idea that will pop back up. Stories being composed of smaller elements, stitched together, and appended.

https://modo.org and https://www.allsides.com/unbiased-balanced-news have some promise.

there are so many building blocks of good ideas, of which metamoderation is still one of the best, that it leaves me both exited for a future where somebody picks up the baton, and disheartened that somebody hasnt yet. is it time for a slashslashdotdot?

Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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> Hacker News is awesome. It is probably my number one RSS feed right now. But it's getting too big. They've crossed the line that reddit crossed a long time ago. The value on reddit now is on the subreddits, not on the main page. Hacker News is wobbling on that space now. If I could just find someone who made a Hacker News digest, with the 10 best items from Hacker News, that would be a really good Slashdot. Interes…

> Interesting that even at the time he was completely wrong. Within the past few months, I've started to see more low effort comment posting, submissions way outside of what many thing HN on-topic to be, and I've flagged more submissions/comments in the past handful of days than I ever have. HN is becoming something like a proto-popular reddit. EDIT: Since the above sounds like doom-and-gloom for HN, I want to say it…

That was likely due to the Reddit blackout. I'd imagine a lot of those users will go back to Reddit since HN generally doesn't appreciate shitposting.

Re: Slashdot founder Rob Malda on why there won’t be another Hacker News (2013)

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> I think that the power has decentralized. Successful people on Twitter basically can fulfill a lot of that same role. You can follow Tim O'Reilly and Robert Scoble and Tim Lee and you can get a pretty good summary of what's happening around the universe. This part was confusing, because it seemed like he was immediate contradicting himself: decentralizing by moving to platforms? Twitter and Reddit centralized power…

I would read that as editorial/curatorial power being decentralized.

The sad fact is that the fediverse has the worse of both worlds where, in the end, it still seems like following a block list of an admin who is accountable to no one (instead of a popular person with some specific track record) and the fragmentation means the discoverability and interaction is minimal.

Until there's a way where one user can decide what instances to see, it will be a crap experience unless you agree 100% with the whims of an admin, who made you jump through hoops only to defederate at the slightest disagreement.

Such a think skinned way to approach online interactions, one of zero tolerance for dissent (and terrible for the exchange of ideas).

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