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Would be easier if they had shared Slack channels
Best I can do is a flat file message transfer that runs weekly (with 18% success rate) between branch mainframes.
So, Teams?
Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago
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#42Well heck I just argued with a bunch of people, who said the USN knew but would never tell anyone and me saying it's a baseless claim. I guess we were both wrong.
Well, we've had US intelligence, and specifically SOSUS, make its way to the public before, like with [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vela_incident
They used SOSUS to detect what happened to the USS Scorpion when it disappeared.
Wasn't disclosed until many, many years later. SOSUS was highly classified until very recently.
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I don't think they were pretending to look, they were just (rightly) remaining open to it being either rescue or recovery. From the article: > “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.” So: * They knew about it and quickly aided in the search. * They did not broadcast the details of the collection to the public. Tha…
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Probably a mixture of declassification procedures, no imminent danger to the public and a desire to confirm the incident visually before giving up hope.
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#44I'm pretty sure the Navy also knows what was causing the "banging" heard underwater during the search. I don't understand the point of leaking this information now, it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.
> it just makes it look like the Coast Guard spent 3 days and considerable money pretending to look for a target it knew was probably destroyed.
This counts as a maritime accident so the NTSB will likely be investigating. They'd want the Coast Guard to locate and try to recover any pieces it could for the investigation anyway.
Besides, the vast majority of that money is already spent. The variable cost is actually quite low - largely just overtime and fuel cost. Often the fuel comes out of reserves that have to be rotated out anyway.
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If they heard an implosion at the time the sub lost contact? No. There would be a search and recovery operation, not search and rescue. I'd liken it to a space shuttle blowing up, the incident isn't compatible with life.
Hearing the implosion is very different from seeing it. I don’t think it’s as certain.
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You don't think they should have looked for it regardless...?
If they heard an implosion at the time the sub lost contact? No. There would be a search and recovery operation, not search and rescue. I'd liken it to a space shuttle blowing up, the incident isn't compatible with life.
They probably heard something and now know it was an implosion.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think they were pretending to look, they were just (rightly) remaining open to it being either rescue or recovery. From the article: > “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.” So: * They knew about it and quickly aided in the search. * They did not broadcast the details of the collection to the public. Tha…
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Why is the Navy obligated to say something before the wreck is found? Coast Guard was still going to do a search anyway, and it’s not as if tiktokers were sailing out to help with the search.
The US government did reject the OceanGate’s and Explorer’s Group request for military airlifts, so it’s possible the Navy intel played a part in saving those resources from being pointlessly expended
https://twitter.com/NewsNation/status/1670998331663994882?s=...
edit: added “not” to the tiktokers doing a search
Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago
#48While I'm sure the details are top secret, I think the existence of the monitoring has be known for quite some time. As I recall, a submarine disappeared much further away than the titanic wreck, much closer to Spain, and the recordings were eventually used to prove it was a collision of submarines or something like that. And rule out that the submarine was attacked by a torpedo. So I haven't been following this stor…
You're referring to the wreck of the USS Scorpion. The fact that SOSUS was used to detect its crush event wasn't disclosed until many, many years later.
The recordings related to it haven't been released, nor has an official explanation.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't think they were pretending to look, they were just (rightly) remaining open to it being either rescue or recovery. From the article: > “While not definitive, this information was immediately shared with the Incident Commander to assist with the ongoing search and rescue mission.” So: * They knew about it and quickly aided in the search. * They did not broadcast the details of the collection to the public. Tha…
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I’d flip it: what’s the point in informing the public about something you’re not definitive about? Particularly when lives are at stake.
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Remember we now KNOW for sure that the sub imploded, given the debris field, which means a sound loud enough to be picked up was generated. The Navy staying schtum on this does no one any good. It's also possible that someone in the political leadership overrode the preferences of people concerned about intelligence, but in this case I suspect that it's just pointless to deny it, so why not leak it now when it's goin…
Is schtum jidisch? The german word is stumm.
Yes, it's been adopted in Cockney English from Yiddish influence.