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Re: Fallen Flag Railroad Photos

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Post by seabass-labrax »

Jefenry wrote: post #33
usr1106 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will that work? The site mentions that it's not indexed by search machines. So I guess it has a robots.txt (on my phone and did not check...) Would the archive respect that?

Annoyingly, Internet Archive doesn't respect robots.txt. I specifically excluded ia_archiver from my site which worked for a number of years until they decided to ignore it because robots.txt "do not necessarily serve our archival purposes." They do remove your site if you email them though. https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/internet-archive-rob...

Personally, I'm with the Internet Archive on this one. If they were to respect robots.txt, it wouldn't be long before a whole host of websites exclude the Internet Archive for dubious reasons such as lost advertising revenue, copyright concerns, exclusivity deals etc. I am curious to know if you've found the Internet Archive's activity to be exceptionally taxing on your servers, or whether you have another reason to wish to exclude them?

Re: Fallen Flag Railroad Photos

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Post by Lammy »

93po wrote: post #40
samstave wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Random fact check bc I never know how much GPT hallicinates: "Southern Pacific Railroad (SP): The SP was a prominent railroad company that operated in the western United States from 1865 to 1998." It's actually 1996, not 1998. I checked multiple sources.

Union Pacific (the acquiring railroad) has UP1996 in its heritage livery fleet to commemorate this: https://www.up.com/heritage/fleet/commemorative/sp-1996/inde...

Re: Fallen Flag Railroad Photos

#43

Post by dghughes »

floren wrote: post #34
dghughes wrote: post #25

My province has the ultimate fallen flag the entire railroad system here was dismantled in the mid 1980s. At the time I never knew of its history or my family history with it until my Dad gave me a metal box. In it were old family documents, pictures, mementos mostly from my great-grandfather. He worked on the railroad but I had never know about it I barely even knew his father my grandfather. Even more historically…

Is this Nova Scotia? I ask because I've often wondered over Stan Rogers' song "Guysborough Train" which seems to be about a planned but never completed railroad line.

No but you're close, I'm in PEI the neighbour to the north of NS.

Re: Fallen Flag Railroad Photos

#44

Post by Jefenry »

seabass-labrax wrote: post #41
Jefenry wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Annoyingly, Internet Archive doesn't respect robots.txt. I specifically excluded ia_archiver from my site which worked for a number of years until they decided to ignore it because robots.txt "do not necessarily serve our archival purposes." They do remove your site if you email them though. https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/internet-archive-rob...

Personally, I'm with the Internet Archive on this one. If they were to respect robots.txt, it wouldn't be long before a whole host of websites exclude the Internet Archive for dubious reasons such as lost advertising revenue, copyright concerns, exclusivity deals etc. I am curious to know if you've found the Internet Archive's activity to be exceptionally taxing on your servers, or whether you have another reason to…

Mainly I just feel I should be in control of the sites I make. They're personal in nature that I don't mind sharing with the world, but if I want to change something or make them disappear completely it irks me that there's a website out there violating my express wishes.

Re: Fallen Flag Railroad Photos

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Post by samstave »

Lammy wrote: post #42
93po wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Random fact check bc I never know how much GPT hallicinates: "Southern Pacific Railroad (SP): The SP was a prominent railroad company that operated in the western United States from 1865 to 1998." It's actually 1996, not 1998. I checked multiple sources.

Union Pacific (the acquiring railroad) has UP1996 in its heritage livery fleet to commemorate this: https://www.up.com/heritage/fleet/commemorative/sp-1996/inde...

Would you surmize that reading a trailing '8' might be an OCR bug which messes a '6' with an '8'?

How does the bot draw in data? does it parse for numbers first? Dates? How does it eval data?

Re: Fallen Flag Railroad Photos

#46

Post by seabass-labrax »

Jefenry wrote: post #44
seabass-labrax wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I'm with the Internet Archive on this one. If they were to respect robots.txt, it wouldn't be long before a whole host of websites exclude the Internet Archive for dubious reasons such as lost advertising revenue, copyright concerns, exclusivity deals etc. I am curious to know if you've found the Internet Archive's activity to be exceptionally taxing on your servers, or whether you have another reason to…

Mainly I just feel I should be in control of the sites I make. They're personal in nature that I don't mind sharing with the world, but if I want to change something or make them disappear completely it irks me that there's a website out there violating my express wishes.

How interesting! That's a completely different way of looking at the Web; I don't think I've thought about it like that before. I view the Web as a kind of library where you can add books as well as borrow them.

When I read something online, I sort of feel that it becomes a part of me as it informs me and shapes my perspectives. I like to think that I could re-read it if I ever forgot the details; as a result, I've downloaded quite a few websites. Common facts don't really apply here for me, as they'll be accessible as long as encyclopaedias exist, but personal anecdotes and niche catalogues are worth their metaphorical weight in gold.

Additionally, I download things that I one day hope to read, but think that the website might disappear before that time comes (due to the author not renewing a domain name etc.)

Re: Fallen Flag Railroad Photos

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Post by Lammy »

pabs3 wrote: post #18
ez_mmk wrote: post #17

Can somebody put this on the Internet Archive?

On its way via ArchiveBot: http://archivebot.com/ https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveBot

I've grown wary of relying only on IA

  [lammy@popola#Webrips] du -hs www.rr-fallenflags.org 
   43G    www.rr-fallenflags.org
  [lammy@popola#Webrips] find www.rr-fallenflags.org | wc -l
    479221

Re: Fallen Flag Railroad Photos

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Post by IIAOPSW »

rob74 wrote: post #5
IIAOPSW wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: "Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert... 'My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!' Nothing beside remains." And I heard that story and said 'pfft, surely I can do better than that sucker.'" There are now two vast and trunkless legs of stone in the desert. one comically larger and more crumbled than the other.…

The building of the mighty airline overshadowed the majestic terminal of the formerly mighty railway, but then the mighty airline itself faltered, and the building now belongs to almighty finance...

And I heard that story and I said "pfft, surely I can do better than the last two suckers"...

Re: Fallen Flag Railroad Photos

#49

Post by pabs3 »

Lammy wrote: post #47
pabs3 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On its way via ArchiveBot: http://archivebot.com/ https://wiki.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveBot

I've grown wary of relying only on IA [lammy@popola#Webrips] du -hs www.rr-fallenflags.org 43G www.rr-fallenflags.org [lammy@popola#Webrips] find www.rr-fallenflags.org | wc -l 479221

ArchiveBot regularly grabs sites of that size and uploads them to IA, its not a big deal. The Imgur/Reddit archiving was at least an order of magnitude or two larger.

Of course it is always good to have multiple copies of a site, especially personal ones for things you care about.

Re: Fallen Flag Railroad Photos

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Post by 93po »

samstave wrote: post #45
Lammy wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Union Pacific (the acquiring railroad) has UP1996 in its heritage livery fleet to commemorate this: https://www.up.com/heritage/fleet/commemorative/sp-1996/inde...

Would you surmize that reading a trailing '8' might be an OCR bug which messes a '6' with an '8'? How does the bot draw in data? does it parse for numbers first? Dates? How does it eval data?

I assumed he was just providing something related and interesting rather than suggesting why it ChatGPT said 1998
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