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GP didn't ask about references. They asked what the tool actually was, and asked about the types of guarantees it provides compared to a known RDBMS.
I got it. And in my opinion the most value undb provide is to handle the reference part which you always have to impl in code when you use traditional RDBMS. Also it provides typed api, real-time sub and user friendly views
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I got it. And in my opinion the most value undb provide is to handle the reference part which you always have to impl in code when you use traditional RDBMS. Also it provides typed api, real-time sub and user friendly views
...You're still not answering the question. What are the ACID properties? Why is SQL, a standard for database query languages, not supported?
I love the idea of an Airtable/Notion open source alternative, but I haven't seen any projects yet that look like a solid long-term bet. NocoDB is neat, but looks like it's a single vendor-driven project that could go open core or die altogether if funding dries up. Baserow also looks good, but already appears to be open core and another single-vendor project. Undb might be a more community driven project over time.…
I'm philosophically opposed to open core (Mathesar is run out of a non-profit), but I can see why other projects do it – finding funding for a big project like this is difficult without VCs (who expect returns).
It seems like they literally use the content from the Baserow website on their homepage. "Create your own online database without technical experience. Our user friendly no-code tool gives you the powers of a developer without leaving your browser."
It's funny how people put funny names on the concept of a spreadsheet nowadays
When I was playing an economics game I was building a lot of simple nocode Google spreadsheets with a little bit of JavaScript to import data. You could share your spreadsheets among friends and everyone made their own copy which they modified to suit their own needs. I thought about some very trivial apps that are worth building but not worth the cost of the usual stacks. We are talking about the equivalent of a sim…
We have Sheets for data ingestion, and other sheets that do the business logic.
This turned out to be a surprisingly well working pipeline and comes at zero hosting costs. We could just run Jupyter Lab somewhere, but this would cost too much and not nearly as quick to handle for our case.
I love the idea of an Airtable/Notion open source alternative, but I haven't seen any projects yet that look like a solid long-term bet. NocoDB is neat, but looks like it's a single vendor-driven project that could go open core or die altogether if funding dries up. Baserow also looks good, but already appears to be open core and another single-vendor project. Undb might be a more community driven project over time.…
We're trying to build a community driven project in this space - https://github.com/centerofci/mathesar . We just did our alpha release a couple of months ago. I'm philosophically opposed to open core (Mathesar is run out of a non-profit), but I can see why other projects do it – finding funding for a big project like this is difficult without VCs (who expect returns).
I love the idea of an Airtable/Notion open source alternative, but I haven't seen any projects yet that look like a solid long-term bet. NocoDB is neat, but looks like it's a single vendor-driven project that could go open core or die altogether if funding dries up. Baserow also looks good, but already appears to be open core and another single-vendor project. Undb might be a more community driven project over time.…
Regarding the inevitable degradation of open core, is your experience that they get actively worse or just stale? How would you balance that against something that’s good enough today for what you need today? (Ie, is being good enough today enough signal that it will stay good enough in the future if requirements don’t expand?)
I love the idea of an Airtable/Notion open source alternative, but I haven't seen any projects yet that look like a solid long-term bet. NocoDB is neat, but looks like it's a single vendor-driven project that could go open core or die altogether if funding dries up. Baserow also looks good, but already appears to be open core and another single-vendor project. Undb might be a more community driven project over time.…
The thing about open core is that the non-core parts are usually the ones bringing money home to pay for the development of the core. So most times the alternative wouldn't be a fully open source project, but probably a nonexistent one.
That may be true. Or it may stall development of a truly open project, if the open core is widely adopted and people accept it as good enough until what's considered "core" shrinks (e.g. features closed that used to be open) or some other shift.