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A Classic Startup Horror Story

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Re: A Classic Startup Horror Story

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We are a company without the cash to try to enforce the NDA

Then why disclose your trade secrets under such terms in the first place?

On busy streets, I sometimes see an attitude amongst pedestrians, who like to casually jump in front of cars as soon as their light turns green. Their thinking is that they have the right to cross. There's a sense that drivers are under pressure by law to keep you safe, otherwise they'll be in trouble and people tend to mistake that as some sort of immunisation against accidents.

But what if you get hit? Is the law going to give you back your legs?

I think the valuable lesson here is that, even if the law protects you and provided you can afford it, there's no substitute for prudence.

Re: A Classic Startup Horror Story

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post #21

All is not lost, and the start-up shouldn't despair, for a couple of reasons: 1. It's not unknown for acquisition deals to get put on the back burner for a while, even a year or two. That happened to my former company when it was acquired. (This history was publicly disclosed in my company's proxy filing with the SEC [1].) 2. The Company's lawyers are likely to tell them, forcefully, to be very careful about trying t…

NDA is not the same as non-compete, or am I wrong on this?

> NDA is not the same as non-compete, or am I wrong on this?

You're right, they're not the same.

A nondisclosure agreement ("NDA") typically includes restrictions on both disclosure and use of the confidential information in question. A noncompetition covenant is sometimes used as a means of enforcing an agreement's use restrictions. It says, in essence, "to make sure you don't use our confidential information without our permission, you agree not to compete with us at all in the following geographic area for the following time period ...."

NDAs are commonly used to help two (or more) parties decide whether they want to do business with each other. As a result, NDAs per se hardly ever contain noncompetition provisions --- it's usually too soon in the parties' relationship for one of them to be making that kind of commitment.

Putting a noncompete in an NDA would be tantamount to a man and a woman agreeing to get a coffee to get to know each other --- and the woman says, oh by the way, I need you to agree that, for the next two years, you won't talk to any other women. Imagine the guy's reaction ....

A slightly different situation is when one company (the acquirer) is talking to another (the target) about a potential buy-out. When things start to get serious, the parties likely will sign a no-shop agreement that says, in essence, the target won't go looking for other potential acquirers. (The target's board of directors may have a fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders to consider other unsolicited offers.)

Re: A Classic Startup Horror Story

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post #21

All is not lost, and the start-up shouldn't despair, for a couple of reasons: 1. It's not unknown for acquisition deals to get put on the back burner for a while, even a year or two. That happened to my former company when it was acquired. (This history was publicly disclosed in my company's proxy filing with the SEC [1].) 2. The Company's lawyers are likely to tell them, forcefully, to be very careful about trying t…

Yes. The startup might not have the fund to enforce NDA now but wait until the Company has developed a similar product. There will be lawyers willing to do Pro Bono on collecting the damage.

Re: A Classic Startup Horror Story

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post #25

This sort of scenario is unfortunately very common. The antidote is never to allow acquisition talks to be the main thing you're focusing on. We advise startups who get approached by acquirers to treat it as a background process, and not to take things seriously until the very last stage. If acquisition discussions are just a side show, you can easily terminate them if anything goes wrong. Which, interestingly, proba…

> M&A guys can smell it when you really want a deal, and that makes them want it less. This seems perverse, but I'm guessing that there's some kind of economic intuition these guys have gained from being around deals all the time? Something like, "Wants a deal == needs it == a bad investment." This just seems to confirm that the best way to get money thrown at you is to not have a need for it.

I was out with an investment banker at a social outing, and I asked him "What's the biggest mistake startups make during the acquisition process?" He said, "Buddying up with their potential acquirer. Once you express strong interest in getting bought, you've just lost all negotiating leverage. You've got to play coy with potential acquirers until the deal is signed."

Re: A Classic Startup Horror Story

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Worked for a start up that was in an extremely long period of due diligence with a big company you've heard of. The big company was giving our company money to meet payroll, so they knew our piggy bank was empty.

Big company says thanks but no thanks. We all get laid off by the start up at lunch time. That afternoon our company lets it be known that they'll be filing a law suit asking for damages of a billion dollars (a similar company had recently sold for several hundred million and it was the dotcom boom days - a billion sounded not entirely insane).

Big company has a change of heart late that night and decides to buy us for tens of millions of dollars. People called and told to come in to the office in the morning - the day had been saved!

The next morning everyone was fired by big company and the little startup was shut down. Ooops.

Re: A Classic Startup Horror Story

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post #41

We are a company without the cash to try to enforce the NDA Then why disclose your trade secrets under such terms in the first place? On busy streets, I sometimes see an attitude amongst pedestrians, who like to casually jump in front of cars as soon as their light turns green. Their thinking is that they have the right to cross . There's a sense that drivers are under pressure by law to keep you safe, otherwise they…

No corporate development person is going to take a deal to the CEO without having gone through dilligence. So as the selling party, you're forced to subject yourself to this kind of process.

However, you don't have to actually answer everything you're asked in this financial (and technical) cavity search. In one M&A process I participated in, the buyer asked the seller to "tell us your strategic vulnerabilities: if someone wanted to totally shut you down via technical, legal, or data means, how could they do it?" The sellers politely refused to answer this.

Bottom line: there are no rules, and it often seems no one feels any shame doing the most utterly awful, unbelievable things during these M&A processes. NDA's don't mean jack, and if you don't answer enough of the questions, they simply cannot buy you. Choosing which questions to answer, and walking away from all the others, is key.

And, as another commenter said: don't ever need to sell. If you really need to sell, you're probably already doomed.

Re: A Classic Startup Horror Story

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post #25

This sort of scenario is unfortunately very common. The antidote is never to allow acquisition talks to be the main thing you're focusing on. We advise startups who get approached by acquirers to treat it as a background process, and not to take things seriously until the very last stage. If acquisition discussions are just a side show, you can easily terminate them if anything goes wrong. Which, interestingly, proba…

Furthermore, you can almost always convert a potential sale transaction into another financing round, allowing yourself to "let it ride" on similar terms. The fact that someone wants to buy you makes you more appealing, and means a potential investor can staple his cover sheet onto the front of someone else's due dilligence process.

Re: A Classic Startup Horror Story

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite. It's more like: You're not intelligent if you think an NDA is worth a damn (as the article shows.)

When good people sign a NDA it counts for something. When you're dealing with lying buggers though, it represents an option to sue. Insurance is similar.

Yeah, except when you are not in position to enforce the NDA which was the case of the OP.

Re: A Classic Startup Horror Story

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post #25

This sort of scenario is unfortunately very common. The antidote is never to allow acquisition talks to be the main thing you're focusing on. We advise startups who get approached by acquirers to treat it as a background process, and not to take things seriously until the very last stage. If acquisition discussions are just a side show, you can easily terminate them if anything goes wrong. Which, interestingly, proba…

Although this scenario is very common, it's not common for the story to get shared. Thanks to the entrepreneur that shared it.

One of the reasons that folks don't share their horror stories around M&A is that often, in the back of their minds, they're still hoping that it was all just a big misunderstanding (wishful thinking). They're often also worried about creating a negative impression around the company -- thereby potentially jeopardizing deals with others in the future.

In cases with truly bad faith, the "acquirer" can actually exploit these two things.

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