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The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by slipheen »

pixelpoet wrote: post #5

I really hope a decent Reddit replacement shows up soon; my impression is that HN is mostly webdevs, so surely some of y'all are on it?

There's quite a few, and most of them federate with one another.

What's interesting is that Reddit isn't really a single community - Each individual subreddit has it's own moderators, editorial voice, group of people, etc. They can each move independently.

For example, /r/startrek and the related startrek websites have all moved to https://startrek.website

This federates with Lemmy, kbin, etc - So if a user posts to startrek.website it shows up everyone else's servers, and people can reply from whatever federated site they use

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by mattmaroon »

I don’t blame them. Reddit owns the subreddits, not redditors.

I have no idea why someone would put the time required into moderating a large sub for no money just for Reddit’s benefit in the first place. A Reddit model where the mods share in profits (kind of how YouTube creators do) would be interesting.

But if you’re going to sign up for that, you can’t expect Reddit to just let you tank their site. It was never yours.

I’d do the same thing if I were Reddit, though I guess I’d also not be in this situation if I were them either because I’d just price the API reasonably.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #6
lewisflude wrote: post #3

Key paragraphs > If there are mods here who are willing to work towards reopening this community, we are willing to work with you to process a Top Mod Removal request or reorder the mod team to achieve this goal if mods higher up the list are hindering reopening. We would handle this request and any retaliation attempts here in this modmail chain immediately. > Our goal is to work with the existing mod team to find a…

Kinda crazy how a lower mod can request a higher mod's removal. Pretty unhealthy precedent for a community where mods are already power hungry lunatics and your most obsessed power hungry mod who spends all day needlessly moderating the subreddit can appeal to reddit with "look how much more active I am than him; he barely does anything! So, gimme the subreddit pls."

Normally it's only possible when the top mod has been inactive for a long time.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by anthonypasq »

Havoc wrote: post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

everyone always says this yet getting a mod to relinquish their position is nearly impossible. Reddit mods desperately want to be mods and will do everything in their power to hold on to it. I know its a stereotype, but for many it is literally the only semblance of power/control they have over their life.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by jonathankoren »

themaninthedark wrote: post #18
lewisflude wrote: post #3

Key paragraphs > If there are mods here who are willing to work towards reopening this community, we are willing to work with you to process a Top Mod Removal request or reorder the mod team to achieve this goal if mods higher up the list are hindering reopening. We would handle this request and any retaliation attempts here in this modmail chain immediately. > Our goal is to work with the existing mod team to find a…

It sounds to me like there are Top Mods who want to continue the boycott, with others who don't and that Reddit is looking at giving the other mods a path forward. One of the things I have noticed is that the boycott is not from the users but from the mods of the community. Even if the community had a vote, if you want to boycott fine but they are forcing others to go along with with them. So either they are not the…

First labor strike, huh?

Ask yourself, who told you that was true? The strikers? Or the guy with the vested interest in breaking the strike and desperate to find anyone -- literally anyone -- to cross the line?

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by SanderNL »

Havoc wrote: post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

Wouldn’t a properly prompted LLM be an OK mod?

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by hbn »

Havoc wrote: post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

I have a feeling they won't have a hard time finding deranged weirdos who want to mod and will remove anything that could in any way raise an eyebrow of advertisers/payment processors/etc

The worst mods for the community will be the best mods for reddit's bottom line. The power-tripping is payment in itself for those types.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by slipheen »

yieldcrv wrote: post #34
Havoc wrote: post #16

They’re gonna be left with bottom of the barrel mods. It’s a thankless task to begin with - a marginal proposition at best. Add some threats as a thank you for the unpaid work and it becomes downright abusive Who the hell is going to want to mod in that context?

Mods that were pushed out by other mods in the past People with vendettas and power vacuum opportunists People that want a different narrative on a subreddit There are tons of people that have other causes and interests than API tooling or company drama You know, this is all quite ignorable

That's not exactly a list of people who are likely to do a good job.

I think that's part of Reddit's problem - They can replace the mods with random people if they want, but the likelihood that those people will put in the work and do a good job is not high.

Re: The note Reddit sent to moderators threatening them if they don’t reopen

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Post by revscat »

I don't see a way that Huffman can follow through on his threat. According to Reddark [1] at the time of this writing there are still 4752 subs that are dark. I understand that powermods exist, but were Huffman to follow through on his threat he would have to come up with many hundreds of willing moderators, on a rather short timeframe.

Frankly, I don't see this happening, at least not without significant pain. Not to mention the ill will that is continuing to build, which will only compound the difficulty of getting new volunteers on board.

[1] https://reddark.untone.uk

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