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Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

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Post by resolutebat »

kibwen wrote: post #38
unclekev wrote: post #19

Just went to the 'Programming' lemmy/beehaw and the first thing I see is a post about how they have had to defederate from some instances because of a lack of proper mod tools, trolls and bad actors. The irony. > https://beehaw.org/post/567170 > these two instances’ open registration policy, which is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it makes trolling, harassment, and other undes…

There's nothing ironic about this, the whole point of a federated system is that instances have the power to decide who's a part of their network.

The irony is that one of the main drivers for the Reddit blackouts is/was the lack of moderator tools in the official client.

However, if there's demand open source contributors will sort out the tooling soon enough, while the closed-source official Reddit app is unlikely to improve anything soon.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

#42

Post by slekker »

lolinder wrote: post #16
quaintdev wrote: post #9

I think this is Reddit single handedly doing what we have been wanting for so long a.k.a. decentralised communities. The only advantage(?) Reddit had over these was a user could have feed from all these communities which is still possible with RSS Edit: I want to know where r/selfhosted ended up, anyone knows?

selfhosted@lemmy.world is very active.

short rant: one thing I dislike about these ActivityPub links is that given it is parsed as an email, you cannot click it. Plus, I have no idea how this “email” translates to the actual URL I am supposed to use.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

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Post by unclekev »

kibwen wrote: post #38
unclekev wrote: post #19

Just went to the 'Programming' lemmy/beehaw and the first thing I see is a post about how they have had to defederate from some instances because of a lack of proper mod tools, trolls and bad actors. The irony. > https://beehaw.org/post/567170 > these two instances’ open registration policy, which is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it makes trolling, harassment, and other undes…

There's nothing ironic about this, the whole point of a federated system is that instances have the power to decide who's a part of their network.

> have the power to decide who's a part of their network.

Former Reddit mods are going to love this feature.

Now when they are power-tripping or they don't agree with another instances users views on a topic, instead of just banning the users, they can ban entire instances/communities from participating in one fell swoop.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

#45

Post by lolinder »

Beehaw became a hub for the exodus largely through a misunderstanding—they were already active when Lemmy exploded, so a lot of the exiles found their way into their communities, but Beehaw's culture is in a lot of respects incompatible with Reddit's. It was only a matter of time before they decided preserving their community was more important than sheltering all of Reddit's exiles.

I highly recommend reading Beehaw's history that they link from their sidebar. It helped me better understand the value proposition of the fediverse, and goes a long way towards explaining their perspective on the necessity of defederating the large instances:

https://beehaw.org/post/107014

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

#46

Post by lolinder »

slekker wrote: post #42
lolinder wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

selfhosted@lemmy.world is very active.

short rant: one thing I dislike about these ActivityPub links is that given it is parsed as an email, you cannot click it. Plus, I have no idea how this “email” translates to the actual URL I am supposed to use.

True:

https://lemmy.world/c/selfhosted

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

#47

Post by SOLAR_FIELDS »

lolinder wrote: post #26
unclekev wrote: post #19

Just went to the 'Programming' lemmy/beehaw and the first thing I see is a post about how they have had to defederate from some instances because of a lack of proper mod tools, trolls and bad actors. The irony. > https://beehaw.org/post/567170 > these two instances’ open registration policy, which is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it makes trolling, harassment, and other undes…

Beehaw was around a long time before Lemmy took the spotlight, and they explicitly have tried to have a high-moderation community with a distinct character. It wouldn't surprise me if they continue to defederate any instance with open registration. There are other programming communities on other servers that will likely become the actual replacement for r/programming. EDIT: The "What is Beehaw?" post in their sideba…

I like this miniature manifesto (Beehaw). Sadly I don’t think the mod policies outlined in it are something scalable for the masses, but if you’re trying to build a cool, tight knit community it feels like it will work really well.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

#48

Post by neltnerb »

Semaphor wrote: post #27
neltnerb wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, I have no huge interest in this battle but if you are on neither you can certainly federate with both. This is a huge advantage of a large number of smaller servers, defederation as a policy decision by your instance administrator can be solved by moving to a new one without nearly as much trouble if you disagree with it. The huge disadvantage (or advantage as it evolves) is that technology@lemmy.bobstown and…

> if you are on neither you can certainly federate with both. Yeah, forgot to mention that not exactly unimportant part, I’m on neither myself and can use them just fine -.- edited it in. Regarding duplicate communities, I think one of the most important features needed will be something like multi-subs as reddit had it. Right now, I can’t just read all my technology subs without opening them one by one. This will on…

If servers stay at a size that they can be handled by volunteer staff, I don't think you'll see defederation as any kind of normal thing to do. I think the worry is overblown.

Same as any other service, if you're willing to follow the rules of the stricter instance you can interact with it. If your instance won't abide by the stricter rules, so it goes.

I will be curious to see how it goes indeed. I hope the trend is a system of smaller instances with defederation fairly rare and with a tool that lets you at least manually interleave posts in magazines on different instances that you think should be in a single group. But this whole thing is not very old and I imagine in a year it will be very different.

I can't really think of any way to merge comment threads if multiple instances somehow shared a magazine despite having different mods. Can you imagine if half the comments in a thread vanished because a server shut down? I'm not sure that's even conceptually doable.

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

#49

Post by jakecopp »

unclekev wrote: post #19

Just went to the 'Programming' lemmy/beehaw and the first thing I see is a post about how they have had to defederate from some instances because of a lack of proper mod tools, trolls and bad actors. The irony. > https://beehaw.org/post/567170 > these two instances’ open registration policy, which is extremely problematic for us given how federation works and how trivial it makes trolling, harassment, and other undes…

That's a feature, not a bug.

Moderation in the fediverse (inc. Mastodon & Lemmy) means defederating from "problematic" instances, where problematic is defined in the rules of the server doing the federating server (which appears to be documented at https://beehaw.org/instances)

This means moderation happens at a community & instance level rather than global moderation.

Please correct me if I'm missing something - I'm quite new to Mastodon & the fediverse like I'm sure many are!

Re: Subreddit Migration Directory

#50

Post by treyd »

slekker wrote: post #42
lolinder wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

selfhosted@lemmy.world is very active.

short rant: one thing I dislike about these ActivityPub links is that given it is parsed as an email, you cannot click it. Plus, I have no idea how this “email” translates to the actual URL I am supposed to use.

Typically they're written with an `@` prefix, which implies that it may be a handle that supports WebFinger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebFinger

WebFinger technially uses a `acct:` URI protocol scheme, but this wouldn't work here. Lemmy writes community refs with a `!` prefix, which is somewhat unusual.

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