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Re: Wasmer Edge: WebAssembly on the Edge

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Post by tokera »

byhemechi wrote: post #41

> Wasmer Edge Regions: > US West Coast > US East Coast > Europe Central Can someone please fill me in on how this is edge, these are the 3 regions every cloud provider has

"Edge" refers to the fact the workload runs close to the customer either a few network hops away or on their browser.

In traditional Cloud Computing the customer must "select" where it runs (i.e. pick a data centre or region) - for instance, when you go in the Azure portal for many services like AKS you must select where it is hosted. In Edge computing you don't need to do this as it automatically serves the request at the closest "pop" (point of presence), this is also how Wasmer Edge works.

Wasmer Edge are in an alpha release phase thus the edge network is kept purposely limited in this early pilot to take a careful approach to its expansion.

Wasmer also have plans to build a hybrid environment between the browser itself and the edge network which will unlock some really exciting use cases thanks to WASIX.

Ignore the troll reply... he is paid (or just sells himself for free) by the competition to discredit... just downvote him.

Re: Wasmer Edge: WebAssembly on the Edge

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Post by moralestapia »

syrusakbary wrote: post #37
moralestapia wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi Syrus, this looks great and I'm an early adopter of WASM and Wasmer so anything new on this end is interesting to me. That said, >Join the waitlist to try Wasmer Edge today and experience the difference for yourself. ... this was very anticlimactic, it made me look away, honestly. Could you just let us all in?

I feel your pain. We need to scale it slowly to provide the best experience for the people and companies using it (including tight and free support!) but hopefully we will be able to open the service to everyone soon. I guess we really internalized YC's motto: we rather have one person having a great experience and loving us, than 10 liking us with an ok experience than 100 using us with a poor experience ...and the…

Thank you!

Re: Wasmer Edge: WebAssembly on the Edge

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Post by benatkin »

byhemechi wrote: post #41

> Wasmer Edge Regions: > US West Coast > US East Coast > Europe Central Can someone please fill me in on how this is edge, these are the 3 regions every cloud provider has

Very good point, edge is about distributed systems, at least being able to:

- push code out to multiple regions

- direct traffic to the best region

- scale up and down and balance reducing cold starts and serving with nearby servers

They can't build this with only 3 regions, so it's marketing fluff or if you're feeling really charitable in its early stages.

Re: Wasmer Edge: WebAssembly on the Edge

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Post by iudqnolq »

tokera wrote: post #45
byhemechi wrote: post #41

> Wasmer Edge Regions: > US West Coast > US East Coast > Europe Central Can someone please fill me in on how this is edge, these are the 3 regions every cloud provider has

"Edge" refers to the fact the workload runs close to the customer either a few network hops away or on their browser. In traditional Cloud Computing the customer must "select" where it runs (i.e. pick a data centre or region) - for instance, when you go in the Azure portal for many services like AKS you must select where it is hosted. In Edge computing you don't need to do this as it automatically serves the request…

> "Edge" refers to the fact the workload runs close to the customer either a few network hops away or on their browser.

But Wasmer Edge does not run close to most customers and does not run on their browser.

> Wasmer Edge are in an alpha release phase thus the edge network is kept purposely limited in this early pilot to take a careful approach to its expansion.

I think Edge is something where a limited pilot makes no sense. It would be like selling a database that is only available in the morning. If having very low latency is a key concern of mine then a service close to half my users is much less than half as useful as a service close to most of my users.

> Wasmer also have plans to build a hybrid environment between the browser itself and the edge network which will unlock some really exciting use cases thanks to WASIX.

If this isn't running in the browser than it has to be running in a server. By between the browser and the edge network I'm guessing you mean you'll purchase a large number of servers even closer to users than existing edge networks. That's hard, and your product so far doesn't suggest expertise in that area. I don't see how wasm will significantly help you get more servers closer to users than existing companies in this space.

> Ignore the troll reply... he is paid (or just sells himself for free) by the competition to discredit...

Based on your parenthesis I'm assuming that you don't actually know anything, you just assumed that because he's critical he's a troll?

> just downvote him.

Why don't you respond to their argument

Re: Wasmer Edge: WebAssembly on the Edge

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Post by tokera »

iudqnolq wrote: post #48
tokera wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Edge" refers to the fact the workload runs close to the customer either a few network hops away or on their browser. In traditional Cloud Computing the customer must "select" where it runs (i.e. pick a data centre or region) - for instance, when you go in the Azure portal for many services like AKS you must select where it is hosted. In Edge computing you don't need to do this as it automatically serves the request…

> "Edge" refers to the fact the workload runs close to the customer either a few network hops away or on their browser. But Wasmer Edge does not run close to most customers and does not run on their browser. > Wasmer Edge are in an alpha release phase thus the edge network is kept purposely limited in this early pilot to take a careful approach to its expansion. I think Edge is something where a limited pilot makes n…

> Why don't you respond to their argument

I did

> But Wasmer Edge does not run close to most customers and does not run on their browser.

It does run in the browser, that is what https://wasmer.sh uses to launch things published via the `wasmer publish` command. There are more plans to integrate these closer together into a hybrid system in the future with converged networking and transparent offloading work to servers, needs more work but its for sure possible with this foundation.

> I think Edge is something where a limited pilot makes no sense.

One does not just hit a button and servers appear everywhere in the world at once for free, all CDN's do the same thing, they run in racks of servwrs and expand their POP's based off real data and not just guess work. For instance, apparently Japan has a massive interest in WASIX, so perhaps the next POP should go there. Its also worth mentioning that if Wasmer Edge had been built on top of someone elses Edge (as others have done) then they would never be able to offer the cheap pricing.

> I think Edge is something where a limited pilot makes no sense.

It is a good point you make here about perception versus alpha relaity but with the architecture of the design and the huge amount of interest coming from the community the locations will expand quickly so it will be a growing pain of history fairly quickly.

> I don't see how wasm will significantly help you get more servers closer to users than existing companies in this space

No other company I am aware of are trying to build a distributed computer that lets developers write a program that runs in a hybrid setup of running in the literal browser of the user and connected to high performance compute in data centres. Honestly this is the bit that really excites me, imagine a program that runs in the browser but has real threads that also run in a data center. Exciting times.

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