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Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by smlavine »

tambourine_man wrote: post #38
Andrex wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What I don’t understand is how they used an unencrypted form of communication for such important topics. ? What would encryption have changed? Apple were compelled to produce these as part of Epic v. Apple.

Couldn’t they’ve said they didn’t have the key anymore? Or automatically delete emails after two years or so? Seems reckless to keep confidential information like that, but I’m not familiar with the legal obligations large companies have, of course.

Yes, they could have lied to the court if they wanted to. That wouldn't have gone well.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by anthlax »

hgsgm wrote: post #26
tyingq wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They've developed a sort of polite code that stands in for more precise/honest wording they would use in person. Execs understand the discoverable nature of email.

This email was shortly after Steve Jobs and Eric Schmidt blatantly discussed their illegal wage suppression scheme until Schmidt sent an email saying basically "let's stop emailing about our crimes".

Link to this?

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by zitterbewegung »

hgsgm wrote: post #33
shmerl wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Encouraging support while banning competing browser engines doesn't look like encouraging.

Why? As a web app developer or user, the browser engine is low on my list of priorities. Browser engine preferences are about far more niche concerns.

As a web app developer your perspective actually makes you desire a monopoly so you only have to test once. But, as a person I don't want that situation at all.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by tyingq »

anthlax wrote: post #42
hgsgm wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This email was shortly after Steve Jobs and Eric Schmidt blatantly discussed their illegal wage suppression scheme until Schmidt sent an email saying basically "let's stop emailing about our crimes".

Link to this?

This one seems to have the most source material:

https://9to5google.com/2013/01/23/court-docs-reveal-email-ex...

Including the exchange with Schmidt talking about a "paper trail" and thus the preference to "do it verbally". Though that part of the discussion seems Google internal and not between Apple and Google.

https://9to5google.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2013/01/pa...

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by detourdog »

hgsgm wrote: post #34
DrBenCarson wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don’t make that argument at all in the quote you pulled. The objection could very well be for security reasons.

Charging 30% doesn't enhance security.

Charging a markup on products sold in a store has a long tradition in retail.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by kitsunesoba »

shmerl wrote: post #2

> So, for example If Adobe comes in with an app that links to new web apps that they promote we need to allow that "app store" in, even worse Google could come up with an app that runs all their 3rd party Chrome web apps and we would need to allow that in too! I don't see why we want to do that. All these apps won't be native, they won't have a relationship or license with us, we won't review them, they won't use our…

To be fair, the amount of effort that Apple puts into their APIs is well above the industry standard. Cocoa and Cocoa Touch stand with few peers when it comes to depth, breadth, and quality which has been a big factor in the success of their platforms. They’re some of the few SDKs where if you want to, you can produce a top tier app without importing a single third party library, which is no small feat.

In their shoes, even if the App Store didn’t exist, I’m sure I wouldn’t be all that thrilled to open the floodgates for lowest common denominator apps built with other toolkits that do nothing to leverage what makes the platforms good and unique.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by gilgoomesh »

bsaul wrote: post #25

reading this makes wonder what scott forstall is doing now. I hope he's not completely disgusted by what happened to him at apple and will get back to creating tech. We need people with truely innovative ideas from that era.

Forstall is semi-retired from tech. He's producing Broadway musicals and acting in minor advisory roles.

Re: Apple Execs on Facebook (2011)

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Post by musicale »

bsaul wrote: post #25

reading this makes wonder what scott forstall is doing now. I hope he's not completely disgusted by what happened to him at apple and will get back to creating tech. We need people with truely innovative ideas from that era.

I don't know exactly what happened to Scott Forstall, or how good he actually was to work with, but in his public presentations he seemed to communicate a clear understanding of Apple's products and their design.
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