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Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by dev_tty01 »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #14
chasing wrote: post #11

It’s a tool. Don’t want the tool? Don’t use it. There are absolutely going to be use-cases for it, even if Baudrillard would prefer we all just use our imaginations. Who needs a car when all we need is to just stroll amongst the trees and let nature fuel our imaginations? Because I need to get to the airport on time and with a bunch of luggage.

Right why talk about anything ever everyone just sit in silence.

Talking is great. Unfortunately much of the verbal spewing here on HN the last few days is just condemning, calling it stupid, making blanket statements like "no one will buy this" or other forms of diatribe with only personal bias as a basis for opinion.

Many of the people criticizing clearly didn't see the presentations.

Is there non-trivial risk of market failure? Of course. They are trying to create a computation and entertainment focused AR device. That is new. It is inherently risky to create new markets. Is it also possible that they have executed this so well that people may find it very compelling and buy it? Yes, that may be true. Only time will settle this question, so making extreme conclusory statements is just silly.

Real, open-minded discussions of the tradeoffs of the tech have unfortunately been in relatively short supply this week. Some folks have made interesting and thoughtful comments and I for one have enjoyed them very much. Kudos! More of that please.

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by bryan0 »

putzdown wrote: post #2

Intriguing little bit of poetry here. But this I don’t quite understand: “It shows us a time when entering a virtual world required a gizmo. That’s the past, not the future.” In what sense is entering a virtual world without a “gizmo” a present or future reality? Are they talking about imagination, with “virtual” used in an unusual (from a tech perspective) way?

yeah this also confused me. sounds like he's talking about meditation and psychedelics.

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by surgical_fire »

01acheru wrote: post #40
surgical_fire wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I can see this as being useful for dedicated tasks Possibly, but Oculus already exists, and has existed for a while. Did this market materialize? Honest question, I don't follow Meta/Oculus news closely.

I have no opinion on this device or the Oculus, the thing I can say is that the Oculus is not an AR device, only VR.

Yeah... I have some news for you:

https://www.google.com/glass/start/

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by Apocryphon »

scarface_74 wrote: post #33
retskrad wrote: post #3

The Vision Pro is probably the most advanced consumer tech available and it's by far the best AR/VR headset. However, it's DOA. It's going to flop and Apple knows it but they know that they need to release it now to let developers and users show them what it's true purpose will be. The real deal will be the AR glasses, not these big ski goggles that nobody wants to wear.

Why do I have a feeling this is going to age like all of the people who posted on Slashdot over 20 years ago. https://m.slashdot.org/story/21026

Saw a comment that goes beyond parroting that hoary cliche

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36210815

> But the iPod was also not 10x the price of the Nomad. The iPod also had essentially the same feature set. Here the Vision Pro is undoubtedly better in ways like the screen but also seems to be lacking support for VR controllers. Right now VR gaming is pretty much the main reason VR exists.

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by kalleboo »

conductr wrote: post #20
ako wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not dead on arrival as it’s purpose is not to be a massive consumer success. It’s purpose is to get the ball rolling, it is an early adopter release that will get developers started, and that may have some useful purpose for some pro use cases where cost and size is not an issue. Apple is most likely already working on versions 2 and 3 and maybe 4 that will be smaller, more powerful and more useful. Technology j…

That's not really Apple's MO you know. They are usually late to the game and execute well. From that perspective, it's probably going to be good compared to the recent waves of VR devices. My guess is DOA as there's just so little demand for this product category, their challenge is showing the market that they do actually want this product. Apple tends to do that well, but I'm skeptical on this one.

Apple's MO is being a different take from everyone else

Most other headsets are gaming headsets (graphic rendering fidelity over resolution) or hardcore corporate headsets (Microsoft)

This is the first credible headset that's just trying to be an "infinite screen iPad"

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by rumdz »

ge96 wrote: post #16
retskrad wrote: post #3

The Vision Pro is probably the most advanced consumer tech available and it's by far the best AR/VR headset. However, it's DOA. It's going to flop and Apple knows it but they know that they need to release it now to let developers and users show them what it's true purpose will be. The real deal will be the AR glasses, not these big ski goggles that nobody wants to wear.

I am curious. How many people buy the $1-2K phone flagships... then there's this. People buy a $2K MBP is it a huge jump to go to $3.5K? I would like to see it succeed. Edit: my concern with it, is will it be like an iPad. I pre-ordered simula one which doesn't event exist yet and won't be on par with this hardware wise. But it will be a fully open Linux OS. You could just write/run programs eg. in whatever language…

I so badly want a VR/AR headset that gives me a super crisp, super high resolution, low latency virtual monitor that I can easily move around

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by dpflan »

reaperman wrote: post #35
ako wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not dead on arrival as it’s purpose is not to be a massive consumer success. It’s purpose is to get the ball rolling, it is an early adopter release that will get developers started, and that may have some useful purpose for some pro use cases where cost and size is not an issue. Apple is most likely already working on versions 2 and 3 and maybe 4 that will be smaller, more powerful and more useful. Technology j…

I love it. I can't overstate how much I love it. Honestly, I feel like this is the first "real" VR headset and I'm wildly excited about the applications. Pretty much any sci-fi VR imagination is possible here, as long as it only utilizes visual and audio output (no haptics, etc). People saying "this is useless" are effectively saying "there is no killer VR/AR app that has ever appeared in the corpus of science fictio…

"But if they can stick with it for long enough for the price to come down" -- Right, probably depends upon demand initially, they are determining demand for this kind of thing. At different scales, supply chain prices change.

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by Apocryphon »

dev_tty01 wrote: post #41
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right why talk about anything ever everyone just sit in silence.

Talking is great. Unfortunately much of the verbal spewing here on HN the last few days is just condemning, calling it stupid, making blanket statements like "no one will buy this" or other forms of diatribe with only personal bias as a basis for opinion. Many of the people criticizing clearly didn't see the presentations. Is there non-trivial risk of market failure? Of course. They are trying to create a computation…

There are plenty of posts made in favor of the device. Counter-condemning. Ultimately both sides are just talk until the device is actually out.

Re: Vision Pro’s Big Reveal

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Post by kalleboo »

throw74775 wrote: post #18
ge96 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am curious. How many people buy the $1-2K phone flagships... then there's this. People buy a $2K MBP is it a huge jump to go to $3.5K? I would like to see it succeed. Edit: my concern with it, is will it be like an iPad. I pre-ordered simula one which doesn't event exist yet and won't be on par with this hardware wise. But it will be a fully open Linux OS. You could just write/run programs eg. in whatever language…

Am MBP plus a studio display is about $3.5k. Nobody seems to object to that pricing.

I mean, lots and lots of people DO object to that pricing, ever since it was released every single mention of the Studio Display has mentioned it's overpriced, but it also sells well so the Vision Pro will too
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