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First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by seydor »

GeekyBear wrote: post #3

How well the new user interaction method works (eye and hand tracking) was the thing I was most interested in. > I’ve used essentially every major VR headset and AR device since 2013’s Oculus DK1 right up through the latest generations of Quest and Vive headsets. I’ve tried all of the experiences and stabs at making fetch happen when it comes to XR. Here’s what Apple got right that other headsets just couldn’t nail d…

But how precise is it? Eye tracking may be good enough for foveated rendering, hand tracking good enough for pushing buttons, but how does it compare to handheld controllers for drawing something in Photoshop?

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by theaussiestew »

poulsbohemian wrote: post #18
MacsHeadroom wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At USD$3500, who is it for? Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. Realistically this "Pro" version is for early adopters. There will surely be a regular/SE/Lite version in a couple of years for the price of a MacBook Air. > And who will develop software for something with such a small user base? Everyone will, if they're smart. Being first to market on a new platform is huge, even if it will take a few years to have…

>Everyone. It's a laptop replacement. Respectfully, even the iPad hasn't fully evolved into a laptop replacement, so why should we think this device will fit all the multitude of use cases that necessitate the computing power represented by a laptop / desktop device?

It's because it has a M2 and can be used as a monitor for an ordinary MacBook

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

thatsso1999 wrote: post #2

This is the first actual hands-on demo I’ve seen, and apparently it’s actually really good. Really want to try out the auto 3d-scanning tech.

Apple is notorious for retaliating against “news” companies giving them bad reviews especially for demo and preview. At this point, an article is worth approximately as much as a marketing copy straight from them.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by seydor »

MacsHeadroom wrote: post #9
orbital-decay wrote: post #4

I'm sure it's good enough with that resolution and other high tech stuff. But can you work in it for extended periods of time? I never wear wristwatches or smart watches unless I have to (hiking, running etc) because I dislike any trinkets that touch the skin 24/7, regardless of the material. This thing is almost like a diving mask, just not airtight. How about wearing it several hours straight?

I regularly wear my Quest for 9-10 hours a day. It's plenty comfortable with the right equipment. I forget I'm wearing it after a while.

Quest 2? You re some kind of world champion, most people get tired

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by Laremere »

threeseed wrote: post #15
orbital-decay wrote: post #4

I'm sure it's good enough with that resolution and other high tech stuff. But can you work in it for extended periods of time? I never wear wristwatches or smart watches unless I have to (hiking, running etc) because I dislike any trinkets that touch the skin 24/7, regardless of the material. This thing is almost like a diving mask, just not airtight. How about wearing it several hours straight?

People ski and snowboard for multiple days at a time. And the mask is typically not the limiting factor. And most people can wear glasses, wedding rings and watches all day without issue.

Weight placed on the face makes a qualitative difference. More weight means bigger straps and more pressure against the face to keep it there. If the Apple vision is light enough then it might not be an issue, but the size of the strap they're using hints that it's much more significant than most everyday wearable objects.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by eternityforest »

nbittich wrote: post #34

Same pattern over and over, futuristic hardware, closed source software. This looks boring to me. I don't expect anything ground breaking from it. It's gonna be an iphone sticked to your eyes. Those big tech companies remove all the fun and excitement we used to have with new hardware. We know how it's gonna behave and it's limitation before it's released to the public.

When Apple does something new, everyone else generally has it in a few years.

There's gonna be Android for Eyeballs eventually and anyone will be able to make their app have virtual space widgets or something.

Of course that doesn't guarantee anyone will actually do anything cool with it, but they'll be able to.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by threeseed »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #36
inconceivable wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is it really this difficult to project 3-5 years into the future where this thing is cheaper, more powerful, and has an app library ... because all of the actual pros bought the launch model to develop software for it in 2024? then give it a 24-36 app dev cycle and you're going to hit the adoption curve. in about 5 years. this is literally how every single thing has worked in this industry for like 50 years now. are…

Professional don’t buy new technology out of the goodness of their heart. They do it because there is a market to address generally business users. Yet Apple seems to be mostly positioning the Vision as an entertainment centred device targeting a large market. At this price point, it is quite surprising. I think significant questions remain at this point about their actual go-to-market strategy (unsurprisingly consid…

It is best to think of this as a glorified dev-kit.

Developers are not going to be the primary demographic, this isn't going to be the final price and the product will definitely change over the coming year.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by Animats »

The display resolution is apparently acceptable for the simulated monitor case. So that threshold has been reached. Still too bulky, though. It's niche at this size.

Washington Post negative review.[1]

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/05/apple-gog...

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by ftth_finland »

Animats wrote: post #48

The display resolution is apparently acceptable for the simulated monitor case. So that threshold has been reached. Still too bulky, though. It's niche at this size. Washington Post negative review.[1] [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/05/apple-gog...

It appears to be an opinion piece, not a review.

The author carefully avoids saying they haven’t actually used it.

Re: First impressions: Yes, Apple Vision Pro works and yes, it’s good

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Post by threeseed »

Laremere wrote: post #45
threeseed wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People ski and snowboard for multiple days at a time. And the mask is typically not the limiting factor. And most people can wear glasses, wedding rings and watches all day without issue.

Weight placed on the face makes a qualitative difference. More weight means bigger straps and more pressure against the face to keep it there. If the Apple vision is light enough then it might not be an issue, but the size of the strap they're using hints that it's much more significant than most everyday wearable objects.

* Oakley Flight Deck Ski Goggles = 370g

* Quest 2 = 503g

Apple's headset has no battery and they are pretty good with weight management so likely to be on par with a pair of ski goggles.

Which again people typically wear for many days at a time.

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