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That's a bullshit take. We had an Australian go there and hire everyone. If it were Australians he hired out the blue (i.e. with just that little trust), he would have heard about the problem as soon as they were discovered.
Guessing those Australians would have had much better labour protections and a better social safety net if they did get fired, giving them the safety to criticise. Not "trust" exactly since it's more about not needing to trust a given employer, but a similar pattern.
The culture map: How to navigate foreign cultures in business
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's a bullshit take. We had an Australian go there and hire everyone. If it were Australians he hired out the blue (i.e. with just that little trust), he would have heard about the problem as soon as they were discovered.
There has to be an understanding that you won't be penalized for saying it's not the right thing. Which might be obvious in your company culture but not really obvious even for different companies much less broader cultural differences.
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#43For instance, a German manufacturer will generally tell you “no, we cannot achieve that” on the initial proposal and won’t agree to any requirement they aren’t completely confident they can meet. (This can be frustrating as it feels like they aren’t willing to try.)
An American manufacturer will generally be more willing to agree to requirements they might not be able to meet, as they will make an effort to meet them, and inform you early on when their effort fails. (This can be frustrating, as it feels like they’ve surprised you.)
A British manufacturer tends to be somewhere in between, they will initially flag the difficult requirement in an understated way, gradually becoming less understated as the problem grows. So there’s a hint of the German immediate no, and they ramp up to the American “So, it turns out…”.
Where this gets quite dramatically different is when you venture outside of the West.
The Japanese way is to continually promise fulfillment while conspicuously making no progress on it. It can be quite odd to experience - until you realize they’re trying to get you to notice the contradiction, so you can conclude for yourself that the requirement isn’t possible for them, and then reach out and relieve them of the obligation. It has the same function as the American “So, it turns out…”, it’s just obfuscated with politeness. Without awareness of this you can get into some really difficult situations.
The Chinese way is even more wild to Westerners. Their solution for a requirement they can’t fulfill is to produce a small sample of parts that do meet the requirement and give you those first. The idea is that you can use those to show your boss that the requirements have been met.
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#44I've worked with people from a lot of different cultures in various scientific and technical situations, with mostly North Americans in more nebulous "business" situations. What I'd generalize is that on technical matters, there are few communication issues across cultures. People are able to make themselves understood and collaborate, even in the face of language barriers. On the other hand, even simple business dis…
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#45These things are sometimes dangerous. I have had Americans use "what the British mean when they say ..." on me and colleagues and it has backfired badly. If it were a condescending guide for "how women think" (for example) then it would rightly be thrown out as trash. Turns out that people are individuals and generalisations of "You are X so you are thinking/will do Y" are not useful. Use with caution.
Despite being American, I've had a boss literally ask me to "read their mind" on something, I'm shocked I outlasted them in the company despite my low rank compared to them. Luckily for me subsequent leadership was more forthright.
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#46In regards to the book points, the last one reminds me of another great book on cultural differences by Michelle Gelfand titled "Rule Makers, Rule Breakers" [1] on her theory about 'Tight' and 'Loose' societies. As someone who has lived and worked in several very different parts of the world (and called very different places 'home' at various times in life) the book went a long way to giving context on why I feel different in different places (I'm from a 'tight' society but now spend much of my time living in locales that tend to be 'loose' but always feel a bit alien due to never being able to shake the want of 'tightness' aka rules, order, timeliness and predictability.)
[0] https://www.amazon.com/Culture-Map-Breaking-Invisible-Bounda...
[1] https://www.amazon.com/Rule-Makers-Breakers-Tight-Cultures/d...
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
Guessing those Australians would have had much better labour protections and a better social safety net if they did get fired, giving them the safety to criticise. Not "trust" exactly since it's more about not needing to trust a given employer, but a similar pattern.
What's a more guaranteed way to get fired: report an issue with a task upfront or keep doing useless work for a couple of months until the boss finds out?
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
Guessing those Australians would have had much better labour protections and a better social safety net if they did get fired, giving them the safety to criticise. Not "trust" exactly since it's more about not needing to trust a given employer, but a similar pattern.
What's a more guaranteed way to get fired: report an issue with a task upfront or keep doing useless work for a couple of months until the boss finds out?
Now imagine being at McDonald’s on minimum wage. Your manager asks you to do something that in your eyes make no sense. Last time he did, you said something and got réprimantes for it. Do you bring it up again? Or you let the manager decide and move on with your life.
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#49Unless I'm missing something somewhere on this site... this is a summary about the book by Erin Meyer [0]. But I ctrl+F'd and I don't see the name Erin Meyer anywhere on this page, nor do I see a link to another site or where to buy the book. I think that giving such a detailed summary + excerpts of a book on a site and not linking it is a bit shitty. In regards to the book points, the last one reminds me of another…
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What's a more guaranteed way to get fired: report an issue with a task upfront or keep doing useless work for a couple of months until the boss finds out?
Well, again it depends on the culture. Some boss wouldn't take any disagreement from subordinates well. No matter what the result looks like, if the boss doesn't declare the project failed, than that's not a failure. Even if it failed, the subordinate takes the blame, it's less serious than bringing up issues early because the boss's order is faithfully carried through to the end.
If was like "Get a mop, a bucket in the storeroom, pour in a cup of sugarsoap into the bucket and fill up with water then wash the floors". They washed the floors even though they couldn't find the sugarsoap because by accident they god sent sugar and soap instead, so they put that in, perfectly understanding what sugarsoap is and why sugar and soap won't replace it.