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We're turning off Clickpass March 15. How to keep your HN account.

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Re: We're turning off Clickpass March 15. How to keep your HN account.

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought that the problem with openID is they didn't use email addresses instead of URLs. e.g. use john@example.com and require a certain url template for the endpoint e.g. example.com/openid/john That way I don't have to remember another identifier and we already trust at least part of our identity to our email provider. Not perhaps as open, but much more approachable as a user.

Hate that idea. I don't want to have to share my email address, in fact that's a primary reason why I always use my open ID (which is unrelated) when possible. Providing email as a credential creates an implicit, if not explicit, invitation "Here, spam me." This is why I'm generally against using email as an identifier. Other examples that all suck for this reason: Apple IDs. Windows Live ID. Jabber.

> Other examples that all suck for this reason: Apple IDs. Windows Live ID. Jabber.

Erm, to clarify, Jabber isn't an authentication system. It's a decentralized IM network, structured similarly to email. A user is identified by their username on a given host, just like email. It (sensibly, in my opinion) re-uses the same format for that, user@host (I don't think user!host would be quite as intuitive...).

This does not mean a Jabber ID is an email address. It can be, but they are two distinct properties of any given identifier. So saying it 'sucks' because of the format of its identifiers happens to look like an email address, and some services choose to enable both email and IM on the same ID, is stretching it a bit.

Re: We're turning off Clickpass March 15. How to keep your HN account.

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always thought that the problem with openID is they didn't use email addresses instead of URLs. e.g. use john@example.com and require a certain url template for the endpoint e.g. example.com/openid/john That way I don't have to remember another identifier and we already trust at least part of our identity to our email provider. Not perhaps as open, but much more approachable as a user.

Hate that idea. I don't want to have to share my email address, in fact that's a primary reason why I always use my open ID (which is unrelated) when possible. Providing email as a credential creates an implicit, if not explicit, invitation "Here, spam me." This is why I'm generally against using email as an identifier. Other examples that all suck for this reason: Apple IDs. Windows Live ID. Jabber.

The identifier doesn't have to be a real email, much less your main address - it's just an identifier and a provider.

Re: We're turning off Clickpass March 15. How to keep your HN account.

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post #3

Are there any plans for BrowserID auth, perhaps?

Yes! Please please please implement BrowserId. This is the one authentication/login system that actually has a real fighting chance. We've implemented it for our site (next to FB login) and we are really happy with it.

Re: We're turning off Clickpass March 15. How to keep your HN account.

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I would love an overview of why you're moving away from using Clickpass...

Clearly people are using it (given this message), and as many of us are web developers, the thought process behind this decision would be potentially very interesting.

Do you plan to move to a different system (FB Connect/Twitter/Google Identity Toolkit), or are you happy with a standard username/password model?

Are too many people joining HN and you simply want to add some friction to the process?!

Also, clickpass will need to update their site:

http://www.clickpass.com/docs/where-you-can-use-clickpass

Re: We're turning off Clickpass March 15. How to keep your HN account.

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hate that idea. I don't want to have to share my email address, in fact that's a primary reason why I always use my open ID (which is unrelated) when possible. Providing email as a credential creates an implicit, if not explicit, invitation "Here, spam me." This is why I'm generally against using email as an identifier. Other examples that all suck for this reason: Apple IDs. Windows Live ID. Jabber.

How do people operate in the 21st Century internet treating their email address as private? I've never been reserved about giving out my email address and I've never had a spam or harassment problem. Ever.

Perception is far more important than reality.

When online sales first took off, credit card theft was a huge concern. Even though nothing would go wrong for the vast majority of people fear was enough to make users and vendors go to great lengths to protect data. Not a perfect analogy but conceptually similar.

Re: We're turning off Clickpass March 15. How to keep your HN account.

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post #28

The fact that Clickpass even exists made me realize openID was DOA. I spent a day implementing openID for the users of my website, because I realized, hey, what a cool idea, a URL can represent a single user on the internet, and that user can authenticate against it universally. The sad truth was that I could not expect a single one of my users to even understand what the hell was going on, because for most test open…

I always thought that the problem with openID is they didn't use email addresses instead of URLs. e.g. use john@example.com and require a certain url template for the endpoint e.g. example.com/openid/john That way I don't have to remember another identifier and we already trust at least part of our identity to our email provider. Not perhaps as open, but much more approachable as a user.

Webfinger - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webfinger - was created for e-mail-as-OpenID-login. I don't know why it hasn't taken off though.

Re: We're turning off Clickpass March 15. How to keep your HN account.

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post #3

Are there any plans for BrowserID auth, perhaps?

Yes! Please please please implement BrowserId. This is the one authentication/login system that actually has a real fighting chance. We've implemented it for our site (next to FB login) and we are really happy with it.

Could you explain why? When I last looked, a crucial component wasn't specced, meaning you had to rely on Mozilla for part of the handshake. Have things change?

Re: We're turning off Clickpass March 15. How to keep your HN account.

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hate that idea. I don't want to have to share my email address, in fact that's a primary reason why I always use my open ID (which is unrelated) when possible. Providing email as a credential creates an implicit, if not explicit, invitation "Here, spam me." This is why I'm generally against using email as an identifier. Other examples that all suck for this reason: Apple IDs. Windows Live ID. Jabber.

How do people operate in the 21st Century internet treating their email address as private? I've never been reserved about giving out my email address and I've never had a spam or harassment problem. Ever.

Back in "the day", users were bombarded with warnings to never give out their email address, lest something bad happen... at one point in time, if you did post your email publicly, it would quickly become unusable as the spam tools & regulations were way behind the spammers. I'm sure there's still a huge contingent out there afraid of putting their email into the wild.
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