Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing • Hacker News Board

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by debacle » Wed, May 31, 2023, 6:15 PM UTC

I don't disagree with either party here. $12k for 50 million requests is not egregious, but $2.50 per user for something that is probably cheap/free to users is a non starter.

Reddit has failed to adequately monetize their userbase, they've run into the same "politics and porn" issue that every social media platform has, and they've raised way, way too much money.

The worst part? I couldn't tell you the last legitimate ad that I saw on reddit. Facebook shows semi-relevant ads, sometimes location based. Reddit ads are visual flotsam.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by minimaxir » Wed, May 31, 2023, 6:15 PM UTC

berkle4455 wrote: post #20

The data is all fully public and easily scraped from APIs (both reddit and twitter). Who is the audience for these paid plans? Is this for oauth enabled access on behalf of users?

In Reddit's case data scraping is soon to be against the Terms of Service (which is already the case for Twitter), which will earn you a Cease and Desist if you try to make a business off the data.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by Invictus0 » Wed, May 31, 2023, 6:15 PM UTC

nonrepeating wrote: post #28

local_crmdgeon wrote: post #19

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Let me take a moment to express gratitude that I have no idea what “DID,” “tradcath,” and “groyper” mean. Seems like I’ve made the right choice to eschew Twitter and Reddit.

Without googling, tradcath sounds like traditional catholic, similar to the term "tradcon" for traditional conservative.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by ccooffee » Wed, May 31, 2023, 6:15 PM UTC

robbiet480 wrote: post #17

Reddit has posted their own announcements now https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/13wsiks/api_upda... and https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/13wshdp/api_update...

> Finally, to ensure that all regulatory requirements are met in the handling of mature content, we will be limiting access to sexually explicit content for third-party apps starting on July 5, 2023, except for moderation needs.

Reddit really buried "no nsfw outside official reddit apps" (from the end of your first link). Didn't Tumblr do something similar and lose a significant fraction of its userbase and revenues?

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by vasco » Wed, May 31, 2023, 6:16 PM UTC

local_crmdgeon wrote: post #19

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The cause are the people not the platforms. The same people will move over to "digg version 3" once reddit finishes shooting itself in the foot and you'll add a new name to your list of "problematic" platforms. It's the minds that need changing, not the CSS or the domain name of a website that is effectively lists of URLs and comments.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by rootusrootus » Wed, May 31, 2023, 6:16 PM UTC

sosodev wrote: post #30

local_crmdgeon wrote: post #19

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This is such an absurd statement. I have to assume that you're trolling.

Having spent too much time on Reddit recently, I'm not entirely sure. The comment is hyperbolic, to be sure, but on the other hand the most popular subreddits have gone largely insane. Quite noticeably in the last year. Every subreddit now has a political ideological stance, and some quite overtly threaten your access if you don't toe the line.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by martin8412 » Wed, May 31, 2023, 6:17 PM UTC

RhodesianHunter wrote: post #34

Lx1oG-AWb6h_ZG0 wrote: post #13

Their pricing is just absurd. Reddit's official app and webpage is garbage, and instead of working with amazing developers like Christian to add whatever functionality they need to increase their revenue, they're doubling down on bad decisions and alienating their users. Pure hubris... they've forgotten their own history and why the Digg exodus happened. Seriously, _what_ are they gaining by eliminating access to thi…

Reddit has seemed rudderless for a long time. Their ads platform is damned near useless compared to their competitors. It's a wonder they have any revenue at all. Their moderation is wildly broken, frequently leading to blanket account bans of anyone participating in a thread close to content deemed inappropriate.

A lot of subreddits blanket ban you if you've posted in other subreddits that the mods don't like.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by e40 » Wed, May 31, 2023, 6:17 PM UTC

This means the end of a lot of my reddit use. Sure, I'll use it on my computer in a browser, but no more on my phone. This is probably a good thing, but I have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of some communities. And I pay for Apollo premium and just reupped. The app is a complete joy to use. The app developer is first rate. For how complex the app is, it is both easy to use and surprisingly bug free. (I know there are bugs, from the release notes for new versions, but I've never seen one.)

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by ethbr0 » Wed, May 31, 2023, 6:17 PM UTC

mnd999 wrote: post #37

Lx1oG-AWb6h_ZG0 wrote: post #13

Their pricing is just absurd. Reddit's official app and webpage is garbage, and instead of working with amazing developers like Christian to add whatever functionality they need to increase their revenue, they're doubling down on bad decisions and alienating their users. Pure hubris... they've forgotten their own history and why the Digg exodus happened. Seriously, _what_ are they gaining by eliminating access to thi…

They don't want people training LLMs with their data without paying for it. Blame the AI bros for stealing all their data.

It's not "their" data in the same way that last mile network access isn't "their" (telco's) pipes.

If value in a platform comes from third parties choosing to use the service, and those third parties are free to use alternatives, then platforms should be very careful about how greedy they get in exploiting their users.

Most of the platform value actually comes from future, continued use.

Re: Had a call with Reddit to discuss pricing

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Post by None4U » Wed, May 31, 2023, 6:17 PM UTC

nonrepeating wrote: post #28

local_crmdgeon wrote: post #19

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Let me take a moment to express gratitude that I have no idea what “DID,” “tradcath,” and “groyper” mean. Seems like I’ve made the right choice to eschew Twitter and Reddit.

"DID" stands for "dissociative identity disorder".