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OpenAI CEO raises $115M for crypto company that scans people’s eyeballs

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Re: OpenAI CEO raises $115M for crypto company that scans people’s eyeballs

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What is there to discourage desperate or ill-informed (or both) people from selling their World ID credentials to bad actors?

Got an answer to this question here: https://twitter.com/sproule_/status/1661836717970563088

> One reason is that they can’t credible commit to the fact that they won’t also sell it to someone else (can’t prove that you deleted ur local key) or nullify the world ID by re-scanning.

Re: OpenAI CEO raises $115M for crypto company that scans people’s eyeballs

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This kind of headline would normally be torn apart by HN for being somewhat uncharitable for its word choice. But in this case, I'm sure the crypto angle will inspire a knee-jerk negative reaction. Instead, here are a few links for the curious, which explain how the techniques Worldcoin employs may be one of the only viable methods to generate a totally privacy-preserving form of internet native identification and Sy…

I can't stress how much I'm not going to scan my eyeballs for magic beans that live in my computer. I suspect I'm not alone in this.

You're not, which is why they've had to set up shop in the poorest countries in the world to recruit willing guinea pigs.

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This kind of headline would normally be torn apart by HN for being somewhat uncharitable for its word choice. But in this case, I'm sure the crypto angle will inspire a knee-jerk negative reaction. Instead, here are a few links for the curious, which explain how the techniques Worldcoin employs may be one of the only viable methods to generate a totally privacy-preserving form of internet native identification and Sy…

I'm not going to tear it apart. They have done a good job doing it themselves: "Worldcoin is not a dystopian nightmare." Only in SV would someone pay $115M for new tech only to have to defend it with statements like this.

Next week on the A16z blog: "Adam Neumann is not a fraud"

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I can't stress how much I'm not going to scan my eyeballs for magic beans that live in my computer. I suspect I'm not alone in this.

Then you will likely end up with your eyes being scanned by a state and profit-seeking corporations — along with your private data. We need methods to identify who is a real person in the internet of the future, and it should be privacy-preserving and independent of the state.

If someone's going to force me to do this to use whatever computer service, maybe it's time to throw the computer away, and go live in the woods. Like GP, I'm not willingly going to give that data up to any company or state actor.

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methods to generate a totally privacy-preserving form of internet native identification and Sybil resistance I thought Stefan Brands solved this over 20 years ago without scanning people's eyes.

Stefan Brands, Frédéric Légaré: Digital Identity Management based on Digital Credentials. GI Jahrestagung 2002: 120-126 is that a good place to start?

I don't know. I have his book (which regrettably I have not actually opened).

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What I find even more dystopian is that there's already a black market for those digital eyeball credentials: > Meanwhile, a black market emerged on Chinese social media and ecommerce sites. Sellers were offering KYC verifications for the World App, which offers wallet and ID services. The credentials often come from developing countries like Cambodia and Kenya, according to social media posts. [1] [1] https://www.co…

Just a reminder that biometric data (like iris or fingerprint scans) are "usernames", not passwords. If a site's password database is leaked, you can change your password. If a site's iris scan database is leaked, you're out of luck.

I think eventually we’ll have to move to a model where the government issues you private keys via a notary-like biometric verification process. Even if someone steals your biometrics, they can’t fake them to an in-person notary. Rotate your keys by visiting another notary.

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This is one of the most blatant MLM token projects. Inviting new marks and getting benefits from the number of people you've brought into the scam, conferences, targeting of the vulnerable populations, all the hallmarks of a typical pyramid scheme.

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Why, that's not a dystopian hellscape at all! /s

I actually think it’s better than the current situation where the state can freeze your ability to transact at any time.

Only cash avoids an intermediary that can lock you out.

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post #47

This is one of the most blatant MLM token projects. Inviting new marks and getting benefits from the number of people you've brought into the scam, conferences, targeting of the vulnerable populations, all the hallmarks of a typical pyramid scheme.

As of 2021, there were going to be only 10 billion coins, 1 for each human and 2 billion for the founders and investors. Nothing shady or profiteering there. [https://www.coindesk.com/business/2021/10/21/worldcoin-now-v...].

We should read how they plan to increase the supply only for births and retire coins for deaths. And if you don't have a clear cornea, no goodies for you.

Meanwhile, from the article:

> Blania told CoinDesk that Worldcoin has partnered with a “very big international manufacturer” with a plant in Germany, which will pump out about 50,000 Orbs per year. Though Blania declined to name the company or say where the company was from, when CoinDesk asked if the manufacturer was Chinese, Blania responded: “Definitely not, for many reasons, and one of them is actually security. The Orb itself has private keys and signs every message it sends so we know it’s actually a real Orb. And that means we need to lock this whole supply chain totally up so we know it’s not compromised,” Blania said.

And how do you know that I didn't claim this is a real Orb, and just steal your retina print?

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