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Share of Americans skipping medical care due to money woes jumps significantly

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Re: Share of Americans skipping medical care due to money woes jumps significantly

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Post by laratied »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #3
dfdg wrote: post #2

Encouraging generic drugs eases the problem a little bit. Right to health care should be in the constitution instead of right to own guns.

Health care requires other people’s labor though. If you make that a right you risk needing to implement some kind of forced labor system (sure it can be obfuscated as much as you like). Not taking guns doesn’t require anyone’s labor, so you don’t run into this hazard. I’m not particularly pro gun, I just don’t think positive rights are practical from a design perspective.

Exactly. Just the typical incredibly out of touch, childish and highly privileged view often expressed on this forum:

"The smart people can work remote in Bali for 2x the median USD salary. If your not one of the smart people then you can bath and wipe old people's asses all day while being exposed to all kinds of pathogens for the median salary. The reason we don't have more of this is because of capitalism and whatever politics I don't like".

Variations on this theme in pretty much every topic with over a 100 replies.

Re: Share of Americans skipping medical care due to money woes jumps significantly

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Post by boeingUH60 »

halfjoking wrote: post #29
winrid wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't that just an issue with the J&J vaccine? Some of your points are perfectly valid but nobody is waging a war against the unvaccinated, other than bugging them to get vaccinated. Both me and a parent have blood clotting disorders (hers worse than mine fwiw) and the vaccine wasn't an issue (Moderna and pfizer). Was getting it a risk? Ya. But I saw enough people die from it and didn't want to spread the virus to ot…

I believe the vaccines killed a lot of people, not just J&J https://wherearethenumbers.substack.com/p/the-devils-advocat... My link above was about #ECMOGATE. The claim is that doctors were literally killing the unvaccinated by giving them different treatment plans that lead to more death.

Take your crackpot science out of here…we can spot BS from afar and this is it.

Re: Share of Americans skipping medical care due to money woes jumps significantly

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Post by dragonwriter »

refurb wrote: post #35
dragonwriter wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Health care requires other people’s labor though. If you make that a right you risk needing to implement some kind of forced labor system Whether that's true or not depends on the exact parameters of the right, and, in any case, the US has compulsory civic labor notwithstanding the 13th Amendment (jury service actively, conscription historically). Jury service direct relates to a positive right. It also has positiv…

Voting is voluntary. Jury duty places a large burden on many people. I served on a jury and there were people who missed out on work and made $20 per day.

> Voting is voluntary.

Exercise of all rights is voluntary. Voting requires someone else’s labor (ballot preparation, vote counting, etc.), which is the attribute that you said makes positive rights impractical.

> Jury duty places a large burden on many people.

And, yet, trial by jury is a right.

Re: Share of Americans skipping medical care due to money woes jumps significantly

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Post by naravara »

dfdg wrote: post #2

Encouraging generic drugs eases the problem a little bit. Right to health care should be in the constitution instead of right to own guns.

There is no individual "right to own guns" in the Constitution. When the second amendment talks about the right of "the people" it means as a collective. It's talking about curtailing the Federal government from restricting states from raising state militias. But we don't have a state militia anymore, it's been replaced by the National Guard.

There was no serious jurisprudence to interpret the second amendment as an individual right until the 60s. Guns were acknowledged as a practical tool and people saw practical issues with banning them, but that was it.

Re: Share of Americans skipping medical care due to money woes jumps significantly

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Post by naravara »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #3
dfdg wrote: post #2

Encouraging generic drugs eases the problem a little bit. Right to health care should be in the constitution instead of right to own guns.

Health care requires other people’s labor though. If you make that a right you risk needing to implement some kind of forced labor system (sure it can be obfuscated as much as you like). Not taking guns doesn’t require anyone’s labor, so you don’t run into this hazard. I’m not particularly pro gun, I just don’t think positive rights are practical from a design perspective.

> Health care requires other people’s labor though. If you make that a right you risk needing to implement some kind of forced labor system (sure it can be obfuscated as much as you like).

You have the right to an attorney. The state hiring and assigning public defenders isn't "forced labor." I don't know where this canard came from. It makes no sense if you spend more than 10 seconds thinking about it.

Re: Share of Americans skipping medical care due to money woes jumps significantly

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Post by dmm »

naravara wrote: post #46
dfdg wrote: post #2

Encouraging generic drugs eases the problem a little bit. Right to health care should be in the constitution instead of right to own guns.

There is no individual "right to own guns" in the Constitution. When the second amendment talks about the right of "the people" it means as a collective. It's talking about curtailing the Federal government from restricting states from raising state militias. But we don't have a state militia anymore, it's been replaced by the National Guard. There was no serious jurisprudence to interpret the second amendment as an…

The supreme court disagrees with you and the only way to change that is to change the ratio of justices. Why do we even bother with a legislative body at this point?

Re: Share of Americans skipping medical care due to money woes jumps significantly

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Post by foxyv »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #3
dfdg wrote: post #2

Encouraging generic drugs eases the problem a little bit. Right to health care should be in the constitution instead of right to own guns.

Health care requires other people’s labor though. If you make that a right you risk needing to implement some kind of forced labor system (sure it can be obfuscated as much as you like). Not taking guns doesn’t require anyone’s labor, so you don’t run into this hazard. I’m not particularly pro gun, I just don’t think positive rights are practical from a design perspective.

You don't need to force labor.

As always, you simply need to provide people with a living wage and they will do things. A right to health care would simply become a national health system that is adequately funded. Then the only argument would be, how much do we need to fund that health care system to fulfill our obligation to provide people with a right to health care.

People become medical practitioners for many reasons and will happily practice medicine as long as they can make a living off of it without being coerced or manipulated. A few want to be able to afford a Ferrari, but the vast majority just simply want to help people and be able to thrive.

Re: Share of Americans skipping medical care due to money woes jumps significantly

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Post by kapperchino »

The health insurance companies and the hospitals involved in this scam of a system are responsible for so many deaths and bankruptcies. Every year they make record profits by denying care and raising prices. Nothing will be done to fix this, Biden certainly isn’t going to, the man’s campaign is paid for by them. This whole thing is just so damn frustrating.
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