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What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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Post by robertlagrant »

revskill wrote: post #33
hgsgm wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How does that work?

Things work wonderfully where i don't need to waste time follow the crowd. It's from when i was a child already and it's been that way. I have no reason to change, too. My nickname is (rev)skill in reverse, you can see, i just want to reverse the crowd, because i know they're mostly wrong. The essense is always behind the curtain, i'm sure about it. One note is, there's difference between follow the crowd and know wh…

I think this methodology is becoming really popular, actually.

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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Post by owenmarshall »

Zetice wrote: post #38

Okay heh, bees may not actually do this the way described in the essay, but that doesn't invalidate the point, does it? When there's safety in failure, take risks, and favor risks that have asymptotic upside. Seems like good advice to me!

> When there's safety in failure, take risks, and favor risks that have asymptotic upside.

Seems to me that the real trick is knowing when there actually is safety in failure. Quit your steady job, strike out on your own, oops the economy popped and every steady job is now on a hiring freeze. Good luck!

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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Post by SeanAnderson »

The whole "opt out of expected group-think behavior" reminds me of a paper regarding the tunneling and movement behavior of ants: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/science/ants-worker-idlen...

The gist of it is that 30% of studied ants do 70% of the work in digging tunnels. Other ants come in, see that it is too crowded, and don't try to force their way in in an effort to prove they're working hard to the other ants. This ends up being an ideal strategy for the colony because overcrowding reduces the overall work throughput, but requires all ants to be comfortable allowing some of their ant peers to work less while remaining in the vicinity of where work is being accomplished.

Pretty interesting stuff, if you ask me! :)

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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Post by jmholla »

neilk wrote: post #8

I couldn't find any other reference to this rogue bee thing (except other inspirational essays). Wikipedia's entry on the waggle dance seems to suggest that bees often don't make use of the information in the dance. It's not some rare maverick bees per se. It's more that the information may not be important given the season or climate or presence of competition for the food. So it can be adaptive to ignore it. https:…

It also seems they may prefer to rely on their own personal knowledge. It's easier to go back to places you know then follow your friends' directions.

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

twiss wrote: post #3

It's obvious that this is beneficial for the population, but is it (typically) beneficial for an individual? Probably, selfish individuals would only want to try this if they're already well-fed, or if they're confident that there will be some food left over if they don't find any of their own. So, for the benefit of the population, we should probably make sure that everyone is well-fed, so that everyone feels confid…

That's the argument for UBI in a nutshell

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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Post by zentropia »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #43

The whole "opt out of expected group-think behavior" reminds me of a paper regarding the tunneling and movement behavior of ants: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/science/ants-worker-idlen... The gist of it is that 30% of studied ants do 70% of the work in digging tunnels. Other ants come in, see that it is too crowded, and don't try to force their way in in an effort to prove they're working hard to the other ants…

Worker ants are all sister and they don't reproduce, so no problem letting others do the hard work.

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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Post by tikkun »

I love finding useful strategies and tactics from nature, and applying them in my life and work.

Another example:

Redundancy. We have two lungs, two nostrils, etc.

Anything that I'm stressed about breaking or not having enough of, if it's practical to get a second one, I do, that way the stress is gone. Not always practical, but great when it is.

A helpful way to remember it: 3 is 2, 2 is 1, and 1 is none.

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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Post by Consultant32452 »

tikkun wrote: post #47

I love finding useful strategies and tactics from nature, and applying them in my life and work. Another example: Redundancy. We have two lungs, two nostrils, etc. Anything that I'm stressed about breaking or not having enough of, if it's practical to get a second one, I do, that way the stress is gone. Not always practical, but great when it is. A helpful way to remember it: 3 is 2, 2 is 1, and 1 is none.

I was stressed about my relationship with my wife so I got a second one. This advice did not decrease my stress.

Re: What if you did the exact opposite, like rogue bees do (2020)

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Post by ChatGTP »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #43

The whole "opt out of expected group-think behavior" reminds me of a paper regarding the tunneling and movement behavior of ants: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/science/ants-worker-idlen... The gist of it is that 30% of studied ants do 70% of the work in digging tunnels. Other ants come in, see that it is too crowded, and don't try to force their way in in an effort to prove they're working hard to the other ants…

This is so cool.

We have a lot of ants in our place at the moment and they're fascinating to watch. They do seem to solve problems and even show empathy towards each other. Sadly one was badly injured the other day and two other ants tried to come to the rescue, it was beautiful and sad to watch.

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