The chances that none of the made-made objects that touched the moon carried a few tardigrades is very small anyway. The idea we can move so far away with such complicated processes without any contamination is just a dream, no matter the precautions we take. We can just limit it to the minimum, which is already quite amazing. So the israeli ones are just the one we know about.
> So the israeli ones are just the one we know about. Yes, but much easier to condemn in the General Assembly.
A Crashed Israeli Lunar Lander Spilled Tardigrades on the Moon (2019)
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Interesting. Modern optical microscopes, even cheap ones, do 1000x, though I seem to remember, from playing with a cheapish one, that it was very hard to get a worthwhile image at 1000x. Amazon.co.uk has a microscope for £54.59 that does "1600X" ... "for Kids"! The one I played with wasn't that cheap! According to random online articles, Antonie van Leeuwenhoek (1632-1723) achieved 275x and a few of his instruments h…
1600X seems like the lumens rating of Chinese bike lights on Amazon.
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#43In any case, the alleged tardigrades were actually in the “tun state” (dehydrated) and on a 1 cm square piece of tape that was embedded in epoxy resin. Therefore if they were not vaporized by the impact of the crash they would be preserved but unable to reanimate…
This is why NATO has sent several secret resupply missions with solvent, tiny water bottles, and pita bread, in recent years. But so far all attempts to rehydrate the tardigrades have also crashed.
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#44possibly a failed attempt to infiltrate the nazi moon-base?
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No. Mutation doesn't imply it just morphed for dramatic purposes.
What if it got radioactive and then bit one of the crew who took on tardigrade qualities, and started taking out the crew? Or maybe a transporter incident where the tardigrades DNA merged with a humans, and it started taking out the crew? Or 25th century Meta started secret experiments on Luna tardigrades and decided they wanted to test their new weapon on the unsuspecting crew of some old transport ship?
Yeah, this isn't a Marvel comic.
Best case scenario, tardigrades develop to feed on people. Since they are microscopic they get to compete with other of our parasites. Huzzah.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
What if it got radioactive and then bit one of the crew who took on tardigrade qualities, and started taking out the crew? Or maybe a transporter incident where the tardigrades DNA merged with a humans, and it started taking out the crew? Or 25th century Meta started secret experiments on Luna tardigrades and decided they wanted to test their new weapon on the unsuspecting crew of some old transport ship?
I too am waiting for ygg2s’ answers as he seems knowledgable on the subject
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google gives the definition "supposedly from another world". tardigrades are from this world. i wouldnt define a mars born human as alien, so i wouldnt say its based on where that generation was born either. evolutionarily, i suppose for me the dividing line is when the creature has evolved to the point where its more at home in its new habitat than its old. i dont think youre ever going to get a bullet proof, except…
> tardigrades are from this world. There are plenty of them here, but did they evolve on Earth or arrive from elsewhere...?
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#49Article is a bit breathless. > and can be viewed using a microscope capable of 1000x magnification—a technology that has been available for hundreds of years. I don't think so; maybe 100 years. To achieve 1,000x magnification with an optical microscope, you need oil (or some other fluid with a refractive index similar to that of the lens) between the objective lens and the subject. I believe the maximum theoretical m…
Are you sure? I ask because the Dutch were wild by the end of the seventeenth century, people like Antoni van Leeuwenhoek achieved 500x magnification with a single lens microscope as an example. If you wonder why I know this, it’s because this was when the first bacteria are believed to have been observed. Leading off to the next part that I’m not so sure of, but the single lens microscope was/is terrible to use, and…
You can, of course, magnify as much as you want; but you won't see more detail.
"Junior" microscopes often brag of a 1000x magnification; but that only works if the lenses are really good, and in that kind of microscope, they aren't.
You need 1000x to see bacteria. Bacteria are really boring to look at; they appear as undifferentiated spheres or rods. And even then you can't see them at all without fixing and staining.
Single-lens microscopes suffer from spherical abberation (only the centre of the image is in focus) and chromatic abberation (everything has rainbow fringes around it). These problems are worse with greater magnification.
As far as I can tell, the best "mass-market" compound lenses these days are made in China.
Source: I bought my son a microscope a few months ago; he said he wanted to see bacteria. I hoped a "junior" 'scope would get me off the hook, but I consulted suppliers, and they warned me off, and told me quite a lot about how to choose a 'scope. I also bought him a set of stains and solvents, including a gram-staining kit. I did a fair bit of research before I spent money.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
What if it got radioactive and then bit one of the crew who took on tardigrade qualities, and started taking out the crew? Or maybe a transporter incident where the tardigrades DNA merged with a humans, and it started taking out the crew? Or 25th century Meta started secret experiments on Luna tardigrades and decided they wanted to test their new weapon on the unsuspecting crew of some old transport ship?
What if you got bitten by slightly irradiated mosquito? Nothing. Yeah, this isn't a Marvel comic. Best case scenario, tardigrades develop to feed on people. Since they are microscopic they get to compete with other of our parasites. Huzzah.
I don't think that's the 'best' case. Dinosaurs evolved from simpler things than tardigrades so if we mess up this planet enough that we have to leave and only the tardigrades survive, our offspring could return to find giant tardigrade type things that eat our not so human children. Or we could time travel forward to that time. The choice of delorean, TARDIS or some kind of planet of the apes time travel, I leave up to you.