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Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by javajosh »

miloignis wrote: post #27
javajosh wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a reminder: I may not have read every resource on the internet about this subject, and you can share information without attacking the person for not already having it. And it's not clear to me that I can fix these problems, and I stand by my question and look forward to getting an answer free of blame.

Whoh, I don't interpret anything in my response as blaming or attacking you, just asking why you thought what you did. My apologies for coming across aggressively. I interpreted your question as blaming Framework for limiting fixes to the new chassis, and wanted to know your source for thinking they were limited, as everything I saw indicated that they were not. Does the Ars review I linked not indicate that you coul…

Thanks for that, there's a lot I don't know. I still don't quite understand what they are talking about with "Laptop 13". Is that just a new motherboard in the same chassis? that's not clear from the marketing.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by Clamchop »

tough wrote: post #20
gubneor wrote: post #15

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whats a traditional machine? it sounds a lot better than the system76 i had prior to it

Macbooks have great speakers, wondering if that's what he meant

Apple is way out ahead of the pack on this point. No (?) trad PC laptop is on the same level so it seems like kinda a high bar to clear.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by stavros »

DanHulton wrote: post #24
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

Why, oh why have you gone with the terrible "bar-style" arrow keys instead of t-shaped? Apple similarly made this mistake, and thankfully recanted. It was so miserable to use bar-style arrow keys that I've officially sworn off of any keyboard (or any machine with a keyboard) that has them.

Can't you convert them into t-shaped keys by simply cutting the left/right arrows in half?

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by stavros »

javajosh wrote: post #41
miloignis wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoh, I don't interpret anything in my response as blaming or attacking you, just asking why you thought what you did. My apologies for coming across aggressively. I interpreted your question as blaming Framework for limiting fixes to the new chassis, and wanted to know your source for thinking they were limited, as everything I saw indicated that they were not. Does the Ars review I linked not indicate that you coul…

Thanks for that, there's a lot I don't know. I still don't quite understand what they are talking about with "Laptop 13". Is that just a new motherboard in the same chassis? that's not clear from the marketing.

As far as I understood it, yes, it is the same chassis. I have last year's 13 and my understanding is that I can just buy the new components and upgrade my laptop.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by stavros »

deivid wrote: post #6
nrp wrote: post #2

I'm happy to answer questions that folks have around this product.

I have a gen12 i5. The thing I am dissappointed with is battery life. Will a motherboard swap to AMD significantly improve on this?

I really hope so too, I bought the same laptop as you a few months ago, and battery life hasn't been great (not to mention it gets hot a lot). I love the laptop otherwise, so I'm hoping the switch to AMD will fix this.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by miloignis »

javajosh wrote: post #41
miloignis wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoh, I don't interpret anything in my response as blaming or attacking you, just asking why you thought what you did. My apologies for coming across aggressively. I interpreted your question as blaming Framework for limiting fixes to the new chassis, and wanted to know your source for thinking they were limited, as everything I saw indicated that they were not. Does the Ars review I linked not indicate that you coul…

Thanks for that, there's a lot I don't know. I still don't quite understand what they are talking about with "Laptop 13". Is that just a new motherboard in the same chassis? that's not clear from the marketing.

Gotcha, no worries! The new naming scheme is confusing, because they're retroactively calling their 13 inch laptop "Laptop 13" (meaning, 13 inch screen chassis, as opposed to the new 16 inch screen chassis) at the same time as they're coming out with the mainboard for the 13th generation Intel processors.

The new 13th generation Intel processors, with a mainboard that should fit in your Laptop 13 (11th gen) chassis, should give better battery life, and I do think the chassis is about the same, though I think its got the stiffer back and hinges than your 11th gen (though you can order these replacement parts too!). I believe the new Ryzen version (coming out soon, I've pre-ordered) should also be quite good, but we don't have the benchmarks for it yet.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by drusepth »

stavros wrote: post #45
DanHulton wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why, oh why have you gone with the terrible "bar-style" arrow keys instead of t-shaped? Apple similarly made this mistake, and thankfully recanted. It was so miserable to use bar-style arrow keys that I've officially sworn off of any keyboard (or any machine with a keyboard) that has them.

Can't you convert them into t-shaped keys by simply cutting the left/right arrows in half?

Part of the problem with the bar arrow keys is that the up/down are so small. I wouldn't want to "fix" the problem by making the left/right equally small.

Re: Framework Laptop 13 review: a DIY dream come true

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Post by Brian_K_White »

mkozlows wrote: post #35
deadmutex wrote: post #34

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Can you please elaborate on why the new mobo is so much more power efficient? If anything is due to software (e.g. BIOS), will you be able to backport these changes to previous version? Also agree with reviewer's comments about privacy shutters being hard to see. My family members have complained about "laptop['s webcam] doesn't work" when the shutters were closed. This caused unnecessary bad experiences with using t…

As a counterpoint, I love that they're subtle. I don't want big things glaring out at me. (But when they're disabled, there is an orange section. If you don't know that it's possible, as your family probably doesn't, you won't think anything of it, but it's easy to see at a glance the status.)

Orange for "warning, you're safe" instead of "warning, you're on camera"?

I've had mine for over 2 years and 2 mbs and never really noticed. I never use the webcam.

I agree though, I would rather it be invisible unless I look specifically. Just the meaning when I DO look should be obvious, and orange for inactive is not obvious or natural to me except in maybe parachutes.

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