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Re: The Sourdough Framework

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Post by OJFord »

iraldir wrote: post #14

The concept is appealing but the name seems reductory. Sourdough, despite its fame, is but one type of bread. Seing that you had another book called the bread code I went to check that out but it's marked deprecated by this one. So is this a case of an ill-fitting name that does not do justice to the content, or is the content just limited to sourdough as the end-all of bread making? I'm personally not found of the s…

It's only a type of bread if you're a marketing guy for a pre-sliced going on a shelf in a supermarket.

Otherwise it's a (bad name IMO for a) leavening method. Basically just not using controlled/commercial/instant yeast, but from the environment.

Guarantee original baguettes were made with an environmental yeast starter/levain, probably some bakers continue to.

Re: The Sourdough Framework

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Post by ranting-moth »

lapetitejort wrote: post #34
jillesvangurp wrote: post #16

As an occasional amateur baker with a five year old starter in the fridge and lots of hard learned lessons (aka. tasty failures), this looks like a well researched but probably slightly intimidating book on the subject. I started out like many by watching some Youtube movies. Except I did it a few years before Covid. So, slightly before it got really hip to do it. Some things that I've learned over the years (with th…

> - The fridge is your best friend. Building on this, make more than one loaf and keep it in the fridge until ready. For some reason I would make two loaves and bake them the same day. Then it was a rush to eat them before they lost their tastiness. Now I make two loaves and take my sweet time eating them. Making two loaves is only marginally more labor than one loaf.

Personally I'd either freeze or leave out the second loaf. Putting it in the fridge seems to quicken then staling process, however weird that sounds.

Re: The Sourdough Framework

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Post by OJFord »

Glad to see this get some traction here, I submitted it myself a few months ago as it happens. I've been baking my ~weekly bread according to 'the bread code' for years, thank you!

Interested to notice the standalone 'pizza-code' this time when I had another skim - I've been using the (third party contributed believe) pizza dough recipe in the bread code recently.

(I still use it rather than this repo just because, in the case of bread, it's in my head; for pizza, it's easier to reference in the old repo structure/format on mobile, not being formatted for book.

Re: The Sourdough Framework

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Post by jeffreyrogers »

mayormcmatt wrote: post #27
timdiggerm wrote: post #18

From the intro: > It is crazy if you think about it. People have been using this process despite not knowing what was actually going on for thousands of years! Just wait until you hear about literally everything ever

Just yesterday I started watching the video series promoting Bill Hammack's book "The Things We Make" in which he discusses how many incredible ancient structures were built using rules of thumb rather than an actual understanding of the science /math underpinning their strength. Truly fascinating. https://youtu.be/_ivqWN4L3zU

Modern engineering still works that way for lots of thing.

Re: The Sourdough Framework

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Post by HeckFeck »

junon wrote: post #3

I thought this was going to be yet another javascript frontend framework with yet another less than descriptive name, but lo and behold this is actually about sourdough. Neat! EDIT: Appears the author has one for Pizza Dough[0]. Gotta try that one out as it's more applicable to me than sourdough. [0] https://github.com/hendricius/pizza-dough

sourdough.js was initially appreciated for being an airy-light framework, but as it rose to a great height many security holes were spotted under the crust; it wasn't quite ready for the daily crunch of production.

The dev team tried to butter over these concerns, but it wasn't enough. It was forgotten and the codebase is mostly stale now.

Re: The Sourdough Framework

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Post by lapetitejort »

ranting-moth wrote: post #42
lapetitejort wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> - The fridge is your best friend. Building on this, make more than one loaf and keep it in the fridge until ready. For some reason I would make two loaves and bake them the same day. Then it was a rush to eat them before they lost their tastiness. Now I make two loaves and take my sweet time eating them. Making two loaves is only marginally more labor than one loaf.

Personally I'd either freeze or leave out the second loaf. Putting it in the fridge seems to quicken then staling process, however weird that sounds.

Sorry, I mean leave the dough in the fridge and bake it when ready.

Re: The Sourdough Framework

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Post by hendricius »

soperj wrote: post #39
Yeroc wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any plan to introduce some simplifications to the processes using things like a bread machine to handle automating the rise and kneading of the bread doughs?

As someone who bakes bread and other doughy items weekly and has for over a decade, bread machines are more work than making by hand and make bread that sucks. If you use less yeast, and let it slow rise there's no kneeding involved and it tastes way better.

Agreed! Bread machines don't make sense. You can make a very simple dough in 1 minute of work. I recommend 500g whole rye or wheat, 400g water, 100g sourdough starter, 20g salt. Mix all with a spatula for 1 minute until no chunks of flour are left. Put into greased loaf pan. Wait until roughly doubled in size. Bake in the oven at 200°C until core temperature is 92°C.

Re: The Sourdough Framework

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Post by hendricius »

styeco wrote: post #33

Check out his Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/thebreadcode I've been watching his videos for years now, he genuinely cares about his subject, and doesn't compromise for views. He's an engineer at heart, admits when he's wrong and updates and shares his knowledge. Thanks Hendrik!

Thank you too!

Re: The Sourdough Framework

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Post by hendricius »

junon wrote: post #3

I thought this was going to be yet another javascript frontend framework with yet another less than descriptive name, but lo and behold this is actually about sourdough. Neat! EDIT: Appears the author has one for Pizza Dough[0]. Gotta try that one out as it's more applicable to me than sourdough. [0] https://github.com/hendricius/pizza-dough

Just posting this here too, my pizza calculator could be interesting too: https://pizza-calculator.the-bread-code.io/. It's part of the repo as well.

Re: The Sourdough Framework

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Post by hendricius »

frsandstone wrote: post #26

Have you considered making a standalone tool to take input variables and generate custom instructions? Your introduction suggests that you know people's input variables (type of flour, environment, other ingredients, etc) have a heavy influence on the end product. It might be easier to generate custom instructions rather than generate content for every possible combination.

It would be great if this were possible. I believed it could be done initially, but then I realized it depends on too many parameters: Flour, water, temperature, sourdough starter microbes, starter microbial activity level, desired consistency, baking times and a few others. One guy once tried to put together a table with different starter levels: https://www.wraithnj.com/breadpics/rise_time_table/bread_mod.... In practice it doesn't work though.
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