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Many soft contact lenses in US made up of PFAS, research suggests

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Re: Many soft contact lenses in US made up of PFAS, research suggests

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we used to live malnourished, with stunted growth, women dying in childbirth to bring 8 kids into the world half of whom would die in childhood, with large numbers of men dying before they couldn't afford reading glasses they would need. (my gf was 1 of 5 surviving from 10 born, with horsedrawn transportation and starvation) all that industrialization brought us to much healthier longer lives filled with amenities un…

You do not need to convince me that industrialization is good. I agree. What troubles me is the irresponsible approach.

What's "responsible" about putting the breaks on technological progress, when that technological progress has statistically-positive net QALY effects?

Let me give a concrete example: what would be "responsible" about doing a 10-year FDA trial to approve a novel anti-cancer therapy, for a cancer that currently has no existing treatment?

Even if this novel cancer treatment killed 50% of the people treated, if the rest went into remission, that'd be 50% more people who would be not dead at the end of the treatment, than if there was no treatment. We'd still be better off approving it immediately; and every day we'd delay to be "responsible" would be lives lost that could have been saved!

Obviously, no real technology kills 50% of people while preventing the other 50% from dying of some horrible disease. But real technologies might do things very analogous to this. For example, the Haber-Bosch process. Contributes to global warming; but also enables 10x as many people to have food to eat.

If you don't see how PFAS are an example of this kind of "benefits in lives saved outweigh whatever risk" technology: what chemical do you think is used in the lining of IV tubes to prevent the growth of bacterial biofilms? (This is the likely highest lifetime source of PFAS exposure for the average person. But it's also a necessary one!)

And, in fact, why do you think the contact lenses are using PFAS? Same idea. The benefit (not potentially getting a bacterial eye infection) severely outweighs any potential risk. PFAS in your eye could mean that your eye is slightly — in a way that's hard enough to measure that we haven't yet noticed it in clinical practice — more likely to get [some disease we aren't aware of] over the long term. But putting a contact lens without PFAS in your eye, means that your eye is quite a bit more likely to get infected, and need to be removed, or possibly even transmit an infection right into your brain!

Re: Many soft contact lenses in US made up of PFAS, research suggests

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we used to live malnourished, with stunted growth, women dying in childbirth to bring 8 kids into the world half of whom would die in childhood, with large numbers of men dying before they couldn't afford reading glasses they would need. (my gf was 1 of 5 surviving from 10 born, with horsedrawn transportation and starvation) all that industrialization brought us to much healthier longer lives filled with amenities un…

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> Bruh we're not going to have glaciers in like 5 years.

Do you have a source for that? The predictions I remember are much longer.

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we used to live malnourished, with stunted growth, women dying in childbirth to bring 8 kids into the world half of whom would die in childhood, with large numbers of men dying before they couldn't afford reading glasses they would need. (my gf was 1 of 5 surviving from 10 born, with horsedrawn transportation and starvation) all that industrialization brought us to much healthier longer lives filled with amenities un…

>now as a society we uncover problems, we fix them. We're doing pretty well. Doing pretty well? Doubt if the parents of all those severely deformed thalidomide-affected babies, or the babies themselves, would agree: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide_scandal

That was extremely sad event for a relatively short period of time and small percentage of American families, but it certainly isn't worse than the average child or maternal mortality rate of the 19th century.

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we used to live malnourished, with stunted growth, women dying in childbirth to bring 8 kids into the world half of whom would die in childhood, with large numbers of men dying before they couldn't afford reading glasses they would need. (my gf was 1 of 5 surviving from 10 born, with horsedrawn transportation and starvation) all that industrialization brought us to much healthier longer lives filled with amenities un…

We don't fix them, what on earth are you talking about? Nobody has any idea what to do about Wittenoom, it's screwed for a relative forever as far as human timescales are concerned. PFAS contamination is the same. So many of our mistakes are. We can't fix Chernobyl, the tens of thousands of barrels of DDT at the bottom of the ocean off the coast of California or scores of other atrocities we have committed. This isn'…

Hey man, relax, AGI and one-way tickets to Mars will save us!

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> Bruh we're not going to have glaciers in like 5 years. Do you have a source for that? The predictions I remember are much longer.

Last I heard they were supposed to be gone by the year 2000.

Edit: nevermind, it was actually just 10 years ago that Antarctica was supposed to be entirely ice-free in the summer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsioIw4bvzI

I'm sure today's models and predictions are 100% accurate and undeniable, though. "Bruh."

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You know glasses exist, right?

I was just cleaning my shop and was constantly between fogged glasses behind eye protection and tons of dust accumulating on the lenses. I’ve worn glasses for 30 years and that aspect of wearing them is vastly inferior to corrective procedures or contacts. I would stick with contacts but, like this topic suggests, there are legitimate health concerns, and I can’t justify how disposable they are with no consideration…

I'm pretty sure that I could package up all of my used contact lenses over the past decade into a single jam jar.

If we consider the cases as well, I might need to go up to say, a gallon bottle of milk.

I'm deliberately overestimating here by the way.

What is the waste problem here?

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PFAS is to my generation as leaded gasoline is to the prior generation(s), and asbestos to the ones before them, and so forth from when the first chimneys were put up to spew toxic sludge into our air and rivers at the start of the industrial revolution. There is something so sad, so unworkable, and so deeply troubling about how this kind of thing keeps happening.

Asbestos shouldn't be compared to leaded gasoline imo. It's quite safe and inert if you don't physically disturb it.

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They fog up and fall off. Sometimes very far off. Farther than I'm willing to climb.

If your glasses fall off then it sounds like a fit or material issue. Rimless titanium wire (hingeless) with polycarb lenses and they'll stay put in the most extreme of conditions with a sensible arm design.

Or you just aren't doing sports / physical activities.
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