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Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by nebula8804 »

inconceivable wrote: post #13
zyang wrote: post #2

Japanese auto completely missed the memo on software. Many of them won't make the ev transition. It's hard to imagine what Japanese economy is going to be like once their auto industry is gutted.

japan is a US protectorate. when china starts marketing their EV's abroad the US will just sanction them. don't worry, japan is safe.

If the US blocks China, the Chinese government will just kick all the Americans out of the Chinese market and nationalize their Chinese plants. I'm sure the big three won't be happy about that. Since corporations run the US, they will give the US Govt its barking orders and the Chinese cars will be let into the US.

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by iambateman »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #30
malikNF wrote: post #19

I hope regulators fine the hell out of these companies. Enough to make them think twice about offering these upload everything to the cloud services no one really asks for.

It's a simple equation: Revenue = (value of data per person) x (number of customers) - (probably of data loss) x (probability of fine) x (cost of fine). If that number is greater than zero, they'll do it, if it's less than zero, they won't.

This is how engineers think executive decisions are made and it is just not accurate.

The CEO of Toyota plays golf with the uncle of the head of the “we track you forever” group. They both feel like the nephew has a big future and there is a ton of money to be made over the next 5 years before the CEO plans to retire.

Plus, according to their marketing team, Volkswagen is worse. Much worse.

There is way less science and way more emotion at play.

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by JohnFen »

wolrah wrote: post #31
recursive wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They have basically zero downsides They need oil changes. Some don't mind, but I do. It's a downside.

All machines of meaningful complexity need maintenance if you expect them to last, including EVs, and a fluid change that happens twice a year for most vehicles isn't exactly a huge inconvenience. IMO getting under your vehicle twice a year is a good thing and more people should be encouraged to do it. Getting eyes on the stuff hidden underneath before it gets bad enough to start breaking is always useful.

> Getting eyes on the stuff hidden underneath before it gets bad enough to start breaking is always useful.

For people like myself, looking at the underside of a car is worthless. I wouldn't even begin to be able to recognize something needs attention until it's very obviously broken. And even then, I might not know.

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by giobox »

wolrah wrote: post #31
recursive wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They have basically zero downsides They need oil changes. Some don't mind, but I do. It's a downside.

All machines of meaningful complexity need maintenance if you expect them to last, including EVs, and a fluid change that happens twice a year for most vehicles isn't exactly a huge inconvenience. IMO getting under your vehicle twice a year is a good thing and more people should be encouraged to do it. Getting eyes on the stuff hidden underneath before it gets bad enough to start breaking is always useful.

> All machines of meaningful complexity need maintenance if you expect them to last, including EVs

This is honestly not true - there is an order of magnitude less parts in an EV drivetrain vs a modern ICE car. You can go a decade between seeing a service center in an EV, largely thanks to regen braking/one pedal driving allowing you to avoid new pads or discs. There is no transmission in virtually all EVs, with drive direct from the motor through a fixed gear etc. The motor's moving parts are effectively friction free - the rotor and stator in an EV never touch, so there is no wear.

I think anyone currently running both an EV and a gas car will have similar experiences; The EV needs tires, cabin air filters and wiper blades from new to the 10 year mark, there are no other regular trips. The only scheduled fluid change on a tesla is a relatively inexspensive 10 year battery coolant swap.

My suspension and brakes get inspected for safety issues every time I get new tires on the EV - I'm fine with not getting under it too.

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by housemusicfan »

ansible wrote: post #20
skrtskrt wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Toyota's hybrid tech is and has been the best and most reliable for a very long time. I think it's a shame that the EV regulations and incentives (at least in America) are not as friendly for traditional hybrids and plug-in hybrids. They have basically zero downsides compared to full ICE or full EV, and would still make a massive dent in emissions. PHEVs in particular - most people are going under 100 miles a day, so…

Toyota has only recently put into production PHEVs that seem a lot more practical. For example, the electric-only range for the 2012 Prius PHEV is 15 miles, not enough for many people's daily commute unless you can plug in at both destinations. The 2023 Prius Prime is around 40, which is much better, so maybe you can just plug in at night at home. It is only the 5th generation Prius that is truly designed around havi…

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Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by jandrese »

jordans1337 wrote: post #44

Wow, bring on the lawsuits! Important to bring this to light to protect ourselves. Will be more informed on my next car purchase coming up this year.

I'm curious which company you think isn't doing this? A modern car is just as much of a spyware platform as a modern cellphone.

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by JohnFen »

lasermike026 wrote: post #26
meghan_rain wrote: post #3

Why does Toyota even have this data?

I'm sorry, what? No one thinks about what data is being sent back to the manufacturer when buying a car. Now I need to know what my car know and what is being transmitted back. It would be nice if I could turn off this functionality.

> No one thinks about what data is being sent back to the manufacturer when buying a car.

Well, at least one does. Me. The risk of that is the primary thing that is in my mind, over literally every other aspect of the car.

I also wouldn't trust that any controls to not send data would actually stop all data from being sent.

Re: Toyota: Car location data and videos of 2M customers exposed for ten years

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Post by asynchronous »

Reptur wrote: post #14

I hope jailbreaking and disabling this data collection becomes the norm in the future. It is obvious companies do not prioritize the security protecting our data.

Luckily we are already seeing a market with jailbreaking Tesla firmware to have more control over this sort of thing.
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