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The AT protocol is the most obtuse crock of shit

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Re: The AT protocol is the most obtuse crock of shit

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

Havoc wrote: post #39
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #38

I'm amused. First, that it's the AT protocol... I thought someone was getting pissy about their 45 yr old vintage 1200 baud modem. Second, that people are discovering that Twitter 2.Oh isn't truly federated but just pretends to be. The open source community's spent how many years designing a non-proprietary protocol and putting out reference implementations (and extending it to Facebook-like and Youtube-like and Word…

> I thought someone was getting pissy about their 45 yr old vintage 1200 baud modem. Meanwhile I was expecting a Linus rant about a kernel merge for it

That would be a glorious rant.

Re: The AT protocol is the most obtuse crock of shit

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Post by spacemadness »

secondcoming wrote: post #22

This isn’t about AT modem commands then! Pretty interesting rant until he harped on about capitalism, and this > Criticism of Mastodon should be looked at seriously, especially when it's from black people, as this space is overwhelmingly white.

I must be blind but I don’t see your quote anywhere.

Re: The AT protocol is the most obtuse crock of shit

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Post by lapcat »

jug wrote: post #4

With all that screaming from a user on the main competing network, I really need to hear a response from the Bluesky team to form an opinion here. And understand better why this guy is so upset about this destined-to-fail network to curse and foam about it.

> With all that screaming from a user on the main competing network

Isn't everyone on a "competing" social network before they join Bluesky?

I managed to snag an invite (sorry, I don't have any others), so I'm on both at the moment. Though I've found Bluesky to be pretty boring and don't check in much.

> And understand better why this guy is so upset about this destined-to-fail network to curse and foam about it.

It didn't sound like he wanted to fail: 'And I went into this with an open mind. I was like "I'll just make a simple alternative to the BlueSky server in Elixir".'

Re: The AT protocol is the most obtuse crock of shit

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Post by justguessing7 »

tedunangst wrote: post #28

I'm glad somebody looked, because basics like when messages are actually passed around is something I didn't see in the atproto docs either. Alice on server X follows Bob on server Y. When are Bob's posts delivered to X such that Alice may see them? Are they pushed from Y? Are they pulled by X? Polling seems like an absolute disaster in an environment where people have an expectation of semi real-time communication.

The post alleges Bluesky pull based, which would imply it's like RSS but with signatures:

> It uses pull-based federation instead of push-based like Mastodon.

I was hoping they would employ both: push and pull. Some scenarios I could imagine pull being more efficient, and sometimes push. For instance if I run my own server I don't need to be pushed all content when I sleep. However when I return it could do pulls and then continue pushing. It doesn't look like it's clever like that.

Re: The AT protocol is the most obtuse crock of shit

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Post by banana_giraffe »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #18

It's not that bad. ATZ and ATDT are the main two you have to remember. Wait, is that not what we're talking about? So, it has a confusing name too?

I still have burned into my head the dangers of

    ATM
    ATS11=50
And a script to keep doing ATDT##### in a loop till it got through a busy signal, only to find out that short DTMF tones aren't always recognized, and seemingly the tones for "9" and "1" and "1" work when others didn't.

Explaining to my parents why there was a cop at the door complaining that the 911 operators were mad at us was fun.

Re: The AT protocol is the most obtuse crock of shit

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Post by wmf »

lapcat wrote: post #46

> "Additionally, if a Bluesky server goes down, their way of keeping access to your data is by storing all of it on your device!" This seems troubling, if it's accurate. [I've edited the above quote to remove some all-caps and exclamation points.]

Note that Mastodon is even worse. Backup/restore has been generally ignored in social media.
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