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Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by m463 »

humanistbot wrote: post #16

I'm using this to yet again make my semi-annual plea for someone to please make a framework-compatible keyboard with a Thinkpad-style trackpoint. That's the only thing keeping me on Lenovo at this point, decades of ingrained muscle memory. The patent is expired (from 1997 and 1998) and it'd be huge!

I loved the old keyboards with concave keys. The new era of flat keyboards is disheartening. Short throw is ok, but the flat keys don't have the wonderful feel of keys that match the curvature of your finger pads. The curvature also helps your fingers self-center on the keys for precision.

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by schmorptron »

Dunedan wrote: post #39
schmorptron wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The framework does 2256 x 1504, the 13,3 inch macbook pro does 2560 x 1600. Doesn't seem like that large of a difference, especially at that screen size.

For everybody curious, here is a comparison of the pixel densities: Framework 13": 200dpi MacBook Pro 13": 227dpi MacBook Pro 14": 254dpi

Oh wow, I didn't look at the 14 inch model. 50ppi does sound like a noticeable difference if you're used to it.

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by tobz1000 »

mkelly1993 wrote: post #25
humanistbot wrote: post #16

I'm using this to yet again make my semi-annual plea for someone to please make a framework-compatible keyboard with a Thinkpad-style trackpoint. That's the only thing keeping me on Lenovo at this point, decades of ingrained muscle memory. The patent is expired (from 1997 and 1998) and it'd be huge!

I'm in the same boat. I was considering just buying a standalone Lenovo Thinkpad keyboard and using it with the Framework laptop, but kind of defeats the purpose of a laptop. Sadly, I estimate we're in such a tiny minority it simply makes no market sense for anyone to cater to us.

A small but passionate minority - given framework's modularity, it's not inconceivable that someone else will manufacture and sell a small batch of compatible keyboards and touchpads with buttons.

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by somat »

OJFord wrote: post #28
humanistbot wrote: post #16

I'm using this to yet again make my semi-annual plea for someone to please make a framework-compatible keyboard with a Thinkpad-style trackpoint. That's the only thing keeping me on Lenovo at this point, decades of ingrained muscle memory. The patent is expired (from 1997 and 1998) and it'd be huge!

It's funny, I actually have a Thinkpad (my work machine), and never use that thing. Just never got into it. I like the positioning in theory I suppose, just haven't accustomed to its location or acceleration, and the trackpad isn't so far away as to make me. But what do you do at regular desktops/with a docked laptop? Mice bother me more, I've been looking into getting an Apple trackpad (to use with Linux) so it's a…

I have one, never had the muscle memory for it. And never really used it. until I was using the machine in a moving vehicle on a rough road. and under those circumstances it was amazing how much better the point was than the pad. I was converted.

This is why I dislike touchscrens in cars, for the most part touchscreen are fine(ish) you loose most feedback, but you gain a lot of flexibility in display. fine for most day to day use. Until you try to use one on a rough road, then it is just hell.

Somewhat related, a few years ago when the first spacex manned capsule was launched, I gave an audible gasp when I saw they used touch screens, what idiot certified that, rocket launch is a very vibrating environment. I bet the touch screens were unusable during liftoff. However those spacex touchscreens did have one redeeming feature I would like to see on car touch screens. A bar to steady your hand while using it.

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by Brian_K_White »

RockRobotRock wrote: post #33
OJFord wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, so the first Apple laptop had zero bugs, and nothing has been fixed since?

That's obviously what they said!

Yes, it obviously IS. In what way was it not?

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by tenacious_tuna »

colinng wrote: post #40

Neat! An upgradable laptop made with high quality materials! I know nobody asked for my opinion, but I saw the [Ethernet card]( https://frame.work/ca/en/products/ethernet-expansion-card ) and was a bit sad. How about something like 3Com XJACK to keep it small and without protrusions when travelling? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/XJACK Or the spring-loaded swivel down port from Lenovo? https://www.reviewgeek.com/p/u…

I've personally never had one of those hinged ethernet jacks reliably work. Or, they do, but the link is incredibly unstable. I just settled on having a thick enough laptop to support a 'native' full-size jack in my last purchase cycle, but I could see the Framework style being very nice for how little I find myself using it: that way when you _need_ a full size jack, you have one that's stable.

I suspect most people these days have hardwired networking to a laptop dock, and then thunderbolt from there to the laptop anyway.

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by adfgionionio »

humanistbot wrote: post #16

I'm using this to yet again make my semi-annual plea for someone to please make a framework-compatible keyboard with a Thinkpad-style trackpoint. That's the only thing keeping me on Lenovo at this point, decades of ingrained muscle memory. The patent is expired (from 1997 and 1998) and it'd be huge!

It might be possible to use an OG Thinkpad keyboard. Assuming it physically fits in the machine, the electronics are quite straightforward. People have already adapted old Thinkpad keyboards to work over USB. I am pretty sure they'll be too thick, but I will take some measurements anyway.

It is even conceivable someone is still manufacturing these keyboards. I see several companies listing Thinkpad keyboards on AliBaba, but I don't know AliBaba well enough to tell if they are manufacturing new keyboards or just selling old ones.

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Genuine-New-Laptop-Ke...

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by accoil »

OJFord wrote: post #28
humanistbot wrote: post #16

I'm using this to yet again make my semi-annual plea for someone to please make a framework-compatible keyboard with a Thinkpad-style trackpoint. That's the only thing keeping me on Lenovo at this point, decades of ingrained muscle memory. The patent is expired (from 1997 and 1998) and it'd be huge!

It's funny, I actually have a Thinkpad (my work machine), and never use that thing. Just never got into it. I like the positioning in theory I suppose, just haven't accustomed to its location or acceleration, and the trackpad isn't so far away as to make me. But what do you do at regular desktops/with a docked laptop? Mice bother me more, I've been looking into getting an Apple trackpad (to use with Linux) so it's a…

Have you tried bumping the sensitivity? I found that the trackpoint made more sense when it was a light touch to move the pointer.

Re: Getting ready to ship 13th Gen and announcing power saving Expansion Cards

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Post by purjolok »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #19
purjolok wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if regulation is partly to blame: "Due to 27 different regulations in the EU alone (and more in other non-EU-countries), the administrative burden for international e-commerce is huge. Other than packaging regulations in many countries, WEEE regulations do typically not have any minimum thresholds or exceptions for SMEs. Therefore, WEEE registration and recycling fees are required in every country (separatel…

>I wonder if regulation is partly to blame: You mean the regulatory burden that the EU single market was made to fix but yet still exists?

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