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The Language of Democracy

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Re: The Language of Democracy

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Post by mieses »

webshit2 wrote: post #39
cat_plus_plus wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will support feminism when feminists protest against male only military conscription in Ukraine. Until then it's just one of "we only care about our own kind of people" movement like white supremacy or black lives matter. If you believe in sending men literally to their death while staying safe yourself, you should be at least willing to do some house work in return. Personally I think nobody should be forced to fi…

Yes the real injustice is that women don't want to participate in the violence that has been perpetrated almost entirely by men since the dawn of time

Men perpetrate the violence. Women often talk them into it.

Re: The Language of Democracy

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Post by weakfish »

mieses wrote: post #41
webshit2 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes the real injustice is that women don't want to participate in the violence that has been perpetrated almost entirely by men since the dawn of time

Men perpetrate the violence. Women often talk them into it.

…source?

Re: The Language of Democracy

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Post by weakfish »

cynicalsecurity wrote: post #37
Dalewyn wrote: post #17

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Personally, I've always believed the best form of government is an absolute monarchy headed by a benevolent monarch. The problem with that, of course, is benevolent monarchs are few and far between.

You may be surprised your role in an absolute monarchy would be a horse manure cleaner, not a noble landlord you are imagining it in your head. Same would go for your children - with no possibility to change it. Have fun!

You’re not truly engaging with the commenter in a debate. This comment is not in good faith.

Re: The Language of Democracy

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Post by marc_abonce »

local_crmdgeon wrote: post #2

Is democracy a good idea? Is it working out for India and Mexico and the rest of the middle-income countries? We're all supposed to love Democracy by default but ... I don't know anymore.

> Is democracy working out for Mexico?

Yes. The biggest problem we face here is cartel violence which isn't caused by democracy at all, but rather by political corruption, which is only possible due to an extreme power imbalance. If anything, we need more democracy, specifically more accountability against corruption.

Back when we were a "perfect dicatorship", government repression was even worse, as shown by the Tlatelolco massacre in 1968, but this information was censored by the government and even today we don't have the full list of victims.

There's no reason to believe that going back to that system would make the country safer. On the contrary, the rules would most likely be allied with the cartels just like they are now but with no opposition to expose their abuses.

This, of course, creates a kind of dilemma: in a liberal democracy you are allowed to expose and criticize the flaws of the system while the alternatives limit the flow of that information, so you end up in this situation when people compare the idealized propaganda of a non-democratic regime with the hypercritical journalism of liberal democracies and conclude that the latter are worse.

Re: The Language of Democracy

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Post by nico »

TOMDM wrote: post #31
nico wrote: post #30

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Are you saying the US political system is the gold standard / state of the art democracy model?

No, I'm just saying it is a democracy

What’s the test?

Anything that calls itself a democracy just is?

Is it falsifiable?

Re: The Language of Democracy

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Post by cynicalsecurity »

weakfish wrote: post #44
cynicalsecurity wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may be surprised your role in an absolute monarchy would be a horse manure cleaner, not a noble landlord you are imagining it in your head. Same would go for your children - with no possibility to change it. Have fun!

You’re not truly engaging with the commenter in a debate. This comment is not in good faith.

Having no other arguments, this attempt to appeal to "not having good faith" looks really weak.

Re: The Language of Democracy

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Post by mharig »

local_crmdgeon wrote: post #2

Is democracy a good idea? Is it working out for India and Mexico and the rest of the middle-income countries? We're all supposed to love Democracy by default but ... I don't know anymore.

Yes. Unfortunately there exists no democracy on this planet.
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