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Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by amelius »

SapporoChris wrote: post #39
FartyMcFarter wrote: post #33

I know nothing about sailing so this is probably wrong, but I was slightly surprised at the fact that the people on board the small boat didn't get rescued onto the Götheborg. Given the concerns in the article about the size difference possibly causing problems, wouldn't that have been safer?

The towing was a fairly simple procedure and they could maintain a safe distance. Transporting crew between ships on the high sea would be a dangerous and complex task. They might not even have the equipment for it.

Another advantage: you get to keep the boat ;)

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by _ph_ »

FartyMcFarter wrote: post #33

I know nothing about sailing so this is probably wrong, but I was slightly surprised at the fact that the people on board the small boat didn't get rescued onto the Götheborg. Given the concerns in the article about the size difference possibly causing problems, wouldn't that have been safer?

I don't know what were the reasons in that situation, but getting the two sailors safe from an uncontrolled vessle is not an easiy task. At least you would have the smaller vessle hit the larger. Depends of course on the weather conditions at the time. Sending over a line is much easier. Also, this would have meant abandoning the ship. Unless there is a present danger, it is easiest to tow the boat with the crew to the harbor.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by jabl »

belorn wrote: post #30
timonoko wrote: post #27

Swedes are cheating as they always do. This sailship has a motor in it. https://photos.app.goo.gl/mXX4YiQ3u455YNni8

The original method is to use many smaller ships to guide and drag the ship to where it need to be whenever the sails are not suitable (that and wait for better weather conditions). If they had used this original method, the sailing boat would had been rescued by those ships.

If they'd have used the "original" method, they wouldn't have any radio onboard either, so would never have gotten info about the sailing boat in distress. :)

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

timonoko wrote: post #32
belorn wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original method is to use many smaller ships to guide and drag the ship to where it need to be whenever the sails are not suitable (that and wait for better weather conditions). If they had used this original method, the sailing boat would had been rescued by those ships.

Yes. But what is the point of this ship if not fully restore the original look-and-feel of the era. Satellite antenna in the mizzen mast is also an abomination. They should have dirty drawings from France instead of Pornhub.

That’s a nav radar not a satellite antenna. It would be down right irresponsible (and probably illegal - I’m not really good with law concerning civilian ship) to sail a ship this size without one.

Restoration is good but there is no reason to put the crew in unnecessary danger.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by smcl »

checkyoursudo wrote: post #22
nixass wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At least it wasn't Wasa showing up.. *Vasa

In Swedish, the v and the w only became distinct pretty recently. There are still people alive today who don't know which to pick if they don't already know how a v-sounding word is spelled. Also, the same person might say "Vilma" one day and "Wilma" the next, just as an example of the confusion (and Wilma is their own daughter...) Also, also, I have had older Swedes be completely unable to hear a difference between…

I also encountered this with German folk speaking English and pronouncing "v" as "w" - "Let's meet up in the willage"

If they'd pronounced it "Let's meet up in the fillage" that would make sense as they'd be using the German pronunciation of "v", but I couldn't wrap my head around "willage".

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by konschubert »

smcl wrote: post #45
checkyoursudo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Swedish, the v and the w only became distinct pretty recently. There are still people alive today who don't know which to pick if they don't already know how a v-sounding word is spelled. Also, the same person might say "Vilma" one day and "Wilma" the next, just as an example of the confusion (and Wilma is their own daughter...) Also, also, I have had older Swedes be completely unable to hear a difference between…

I also encountered this with German folk speaking English and pronouncing "v" as "w" - "Let's meet up in the willage" If they'd pronounced it "Let's meet up in the fillage" that would make sense as they'd be using the German pronunciation of "v", but I couldn't wrap my head around "willage".

To German ears, the difference between v and w is really difficult to hear.

I speak from experience…

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by aleph_minus_one »

smcl wrote: post #45
checkyoursudo wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Swedish, the v and the w only became distinct pretty recently. There are still people alive today who don't know which to pick if they don't already know how a v-sounding word is spelled. Also, the same person might say "Vilma" one day and "Wilma" the next, just as an example of the confusion (and Wilma is their own daughter...) Also, also, I have had older Swedes be completely unable to hear a difference between…

I also encountered this with German folk speaking English and pronouncing "v" as "w" - "Let's meet up in the willage" If they'd pronounced it "Let's meet up in the fillage" that would make sense as they'd be using the German pronunciation of "v", but I couldn't wrap my head around "willage".

> If they'd pronounced it "Let's meet up in the fillage" that would make sense as they'd be using the German pronunciation of "v", but I couldn't wrap my head around "willage".

Depending on the word, in German a "v" is either pronounced like "f" or "w", e.g.

[der] Vogel -> "Fogel"

[die] Vase -> "Wase"

A rule of thumb that I heard is that if a German word is of French origin and starts with V, the V is pronounced like W, otherwise like F.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by joisig »

checkyoursudo wrote: post #22
nixass wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> At least it wasn't Wasa showing up.. *Vasa

In Swedish, the v and the w only became distinct pretty recently. There are still people alive today who don't know which to pick if they don't already know how a v-sounding word is spelled. Also, the same person might say "Vilma" one day and "Wilma" the next, just as an example of the confusion (and Wilma is their own daughter...) Also, also, I have had older Swedes be completely unable to hear a difference between…

Similar in Icelandic. Most Icelanders when speaking English will use the Icelandic "v" sound for both v and w, it is somewhere in between.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by ff_ »

FartyMcFarter wrote: post #33

I know nothing about sailing so this is probably wrong, but I was slightly surprised at the fact that the people on board the small boat didn't get rescued onto the Götheborg. Given the concerns in the article about the size difference possibly causing problems, wouldn't that have been safer?

Sailor here - an 8 meters boat is in that awkward spot where it's big/heavy enough that it can do damage if incontrollably drifting against something (e.g. the wooden vessel itself) but light enough that you can literally just push it with the strength of two people if that happens.

So I'd argue it's more safe to have some crew on it in case you need to be hands-on, and just talk over radio while being towed.

Re: Sailing boat rescued by the Götheborg

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Post by hnarn »

checkyoursudo wrote: post #24
erk__ wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless if it was a massive piece of crispbread. Do you have any idea of why the spelling was changed if you look in older texts a lot of the time Wasa was was used.

For a long time, the v and w were basically indistinct, until some decades ago. I don't remember exactly when. There might even be a law about it.

There's no "law", but there was a lot of language reform in the 19th and 20th century. You can read more here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_orthography

> Usage of the letters ⟨v⟩ and ⟨w⟩ was, as long as the Fraktur typeface was used, guided by the typeface. In Fraktur, ⟨w⟩ was used as a rule to indicate the sound [v], except for in loanwords of Latin or Romance origin, when ⟨v⟩ was used. In SAOL 1874-1900, which were not printed in Fraktur, the number of words using ⟨w⟩ was very small, and primarily tied to names (clown, darwinism, schweizeri). (...) The attempt to remove ⟨w⟩ was further evident in the 1923 edition. Since 1950 however, the use of ⟨w⟩ in loanwords has been more acceptable, as the number of loanwords has increased. Since 2006, ⟨w⟩ constitutes an individual letter of the alphabet in SAOL, sorted separately from ⟨v⟩.

One rationalization I think we can be pretty happy about today that the article mentions is that [f,fv,hv] which all produced the same sound were unified into simply "v" in schools in the early 1900s.

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