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U.S. Could Run Out of Cash by June 1, Yellen Warns

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Re: U.S. Could Run Out of Cash by June 1, Yellen Warns

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It's unlikely the House will pass a clean debt ceiling hike. The GOP has not budged since the beginning of the new Congress. The MAGA caucus is determined to extract spending cuts at any costs. The way I see it, one of three things will happen: 1) The executive branch will invoke Section 4 of the 14th Amendment[1] and direct, by Executive Order, the Treasury Department to continue paying interest to bondholders, effe…

There's a much simpler legal rationale for simply ignoring the debt ceiling than the 14th amendment. The constitution allocates both spending and borrowing power to Congress. The executive has some discretion, but largely _has_ to spend the money the budget says should be spent. So once the debt ceiling hits there are two conflicting laws. The executive must violate either the budget or the debt ceiling. There is common law precedent about how conflicting laws should be handled, and the precedent is that the more recent law takes precedence. The budget was passed after the last debt ceiling, so that's what the executive should follow.

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These are bandaids. Very soon it will become apparent that the US needs to take extraordinary measures to solve its debt problem, and such measures need an extraordinary excuse, more extraordinary than the recent pandemic.

The market doesn't believe this. If it did, the 10 year Treasury bond rate would be a lot higher, instead the yield curve is negative. https://ycharts.com/indicators/10_year_3_month_treasury_spre...

Market isn't always rational.

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#44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The market doesn't believe this. If it did, the 10 year Treasury bond rate would be a lot higher, instead the yield curve is negative. https://ycharts.com/indicators/10_year_3_month_treasury_spre...

Market isn't always rational.

It's more rational than Congress at least, is only just.

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#45

It's unlikely the House will pass a clean debt ceiling hike. The GOP has not budged since the beginning of the new Congress. The MAGA caucus is determined to extract spending cuts at any costs. The way I see it, one of three things will happen: 1) The executive branch will invoke Section 4 of the 14th Amendment[1] and direct, by Executive Order, the Treasury Department to continue paying interest to bondholders, effe…

Strangely, the 14th Amendment's original intent was to prevent forgiving debt, not prevent default.

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#46

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What is the desired end game supposed to be, of successive "clean" debt ceiling hikes? How much longer should we be spending money we don't have—enough to make inflation even worse? Enough that nobody will lend to us anymore and default is forced? What's the plan here?

The debt ceiling isn't what prevents us from spending money we don't have. Congress causes deficit spending to happen by passing budgets. The debt ceiling is more like refusing to pay your credit card bill after you've already used it to buy stuff.

I am not against Congress passing a debt ceiling hike, I am against Congress passing a "clean" hike that is not paired with the needed cuts in spending. The normal budgeting process clearly hasn't been working, if debt ceiling negotiations are the only way to force a fix then so be it.

Re: U.S. Could Run Out of Cash by June 1, Yellen Warns

#47

It's unlikely the House will pass a clean debt ceiling hike. The GOP has not budged since the beginning of the new Congress. The MAGA caucus is determined to extract spending cuts at any costs. The way I see it, one of three things will happen: 1) The executive branch will invoke Section 4 of the 14th Amendment[1] and direct, by Executive Order, the Treasury Department to continue paying interest to bondholders, effe…

What is the desired end game supposed to be, of successive "clean" debt ceiling hikes? How much longer should we be spending money we don't have—enough to make inflation even worse? Enough that nobody will lend to us anymore and default is forced? What's the plan here?

We already spent the money. Raising the debt ceiling is just a way for us to formally say "not declaring bankruptcy see ya in a bit"

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the desired end game supposed to be, of successive "clean" debt ceiling hikes? How much longer should we be spending money we don't have—enough to make inflation even worse? Enough that nobody will lend to us anymore and default is forced? What's the plan here?

Whatever needs to be done must be done during the budgeting process. Not when the check comes due. Congress wrote the check years ago. Now it's time to pay. If Republicans truly want a more balanced budget they should pursue it then. Of course, the last time the Republicans passed a budget it was far from balanced. Make of that what you will.

> Whatever needs to be done must be done during the budgeting process.

If the "normal" process could fix our serious problem, it would have done so long ago. Instead, deficits have exploded. If the only way to force a discussion on reigning in spending before disaster strikes is via debt-ceiling negotiation, so be it.

> Of course, the last time the Republicans passed a budget it was far from balanced.

And shame on the Republicans who passed that budget!

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post #7

there are many ways to avoid default. (1) discharge petition - bill from committee to a vote. (2) Fourteenth Amendment Constitution prevents willful default until SCOTUS says otherwise. Just keep issuing debt. (3) High coupon and low principal. 10-year bond with $1 in principal and annual $100 coupon will increase debt ceiling almost 1000X. (4) high denominations coin minting

These are bandaids. Very soon it will become apparent that the US needs to take extraordinary measures to solve its debt problem, and such measures need an extraordinary excuse, more extraordinary than the recent pandemic.

The cost to service debt has been going down.

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#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The debt ceiling isn't what prevents us from spending money we don't have. Congress causes deficit spending to happen by passing budgets. The debt ceiling is more like refusing to pay your credit card bill after you've already used it to buy stuff.

I am not against Congress passing a debt ceiling hike, I am against Congress passing a "clean" hike that is not paired with the needed cuts in spending. The normal budgeting process clearly hasn't been working, if debt ceiling negotiations are the only way to force a fix then so be it.

But it won't work. The administration won't trade spending cuts for a clean hike. It's like a hostage taker whose demands aren't met. You're left with two options: surrender, or shoot the hostage. Neither gets you what you want, but one is more reasonable than the other.
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