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Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

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Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

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Post by MagnumOpus »

BulgarianIdiot wrote: post #35
Moissanite wrote: post #19

We need to go beyond stopping mergers. Any company which sees itself as large or powerful enough to make unveiled threats against a national economy needs to be broken up. For ultra-large companies (e.g. any company with a market cap over $100B at the moment), default-deny should be the position for any mergers from this point - the burden of proof should be on them to show why the merge would not only be non-harmful…

First you need to prove to me the average company is less competent and aligned with people than the average government.

No he doesn't have prove anything to you. What kind of non-sequitur is that? Mergers can reduce competitiveness, and governments can be incompetent - both can be true at the same time.

Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

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Post by johneth »

andybak wrote: post #36
saybrexitagain wrote: post #32

Literally everything is about brexit. Inflation? Brexit Living standards? Brexit Activision merger? Brexit 1 million immigrants per year? Brexit The cheap scapegoat for those looking to divert the attention

Aside from when it is actually about Brexit.

It's not, in this case.

Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

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Post by sylware »

Well, if msft wants to restore confidence: day one, ALL games from ALL their studios with top notch elf/linux builds (not a few games here and there, day 42389, hardly working and supported).

Well, this is exactly the same for Sony though.

Hard truth: what sells to the people the need of current powerful hardware is nearly only video games... Namely, if you want sell powerful hardware "en masse", you want beautiful 3D games.

Roughly speaking, most people not playing video games will be fine with a risc-v mini-computer. Ok, maybe with some vector instruction or video decoding hardware.

Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

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Post by hulitu »

Algent wrote: post #23
Circuitstorm513 wrote: post #7

"Furious attack" - Just goes to show that it was the right decision by the UK. EU should have done the same. I personally don't want all my games to be linked to a Microsoft account in a few years. There's already too many monopolies. It's bad enough they want to force you to use an online account for the operating system.

It's frightening how Microsoft, a company well known for decades of history of being anti consumer and shady managed to get a large vocal part of the internet to vocally defend them going for a monopoly in video game editing. As if them already having monopolies over so many major tech markets wasn't bad enough.

Microsoft pays very well.

Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

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Post by pjc50 »

BulgarianIdiot wrote: post #35
Moissanite wrote: post #19

We need to go beyond stopping mergers. Any company which sees itself as large or powerful enough to make unveiled threats against a national economy needs to be broken up. For ultra-large companies (e.g. any company with a market cap over $100B at the moment), default-deny should be the position for any mergers from this point - the burden of proof should be on them to show why the merge would not only be non-harmful…

First you need to prove to me the average company is less competent and aligned with people than the average government.

Every time this subject comes up people wheel out "the only obligation a company has is to its _shareholders_". Usually when they're complaining about DEI or social obligations being imposed on them.

Competence you can argue, but there is no guarantee that any company is more aligned with _the public as a whole_ than an elected government. It may turn out that they are in particular cases, but elections remain a real means for public to control governments that doesn't apply to companies.

Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

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Post by BulgarianIdiot »

MagnumOpus wrote: post #41
BulgarianIdiot wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First you need to prove to me the average company is less competent and aligned with people than the average government.

No he doesn't have prove anything to you. What kind of non-sequitur is that? Mergers can reduce competitiveness, and governments can be incompetent - both can be true at the same time.

It's very simple. Their argument is that no company should ever challenge a government, that if this happens, the company is too powerful and should be broken apart.

Just to make this clear, in a normal democracy, anyone can challenge a government or institution, even separate individuals, as long as they have merit, legal or moral, to their claim and they can demonstrate it.

The user proposes that by default all claims of a corporation to a country are illegal and harmful and they should be punished and split apart for it.

So... if that's a valid argument, it suggests an unchecked government, with no comparable size organization to challenge it is better somehow. Governments are better. But are they?

Prove it.

Re: Microsoft in furious attack on UK as major gaming deal blocked

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Post by 0dayz »

BulgarianIdiot wrote: post #35
Moissanite wrote: post #19

We need to go beyond stopping mergers. Any company which sees itself as large or powerful enough to make unveiled threats against a national economy needs to be broken up. For ultra-large companies (e.g. any company with a market cap over $100B at the moment), default-deny should be the position for any mergers from this point - the burden of proof should be on them to show why the merge would not only be non-harmful…

First you need to prove to me the average company is less competent and aligned with people than the average government.

Microsoft is not an average company.

And government is only as good as the people let them be.

Corporations are only as good as the regulation and competition.

In other word they are completely different from each other.

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