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Roblox intentionally blocking Linux with Wine in their new update

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Re: Roblox intentionally blocking Linux with Wine in their new update

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Post by meese712 »

shadowgovt wrote: post #8

Apparently, this has been done because they're trying to collect telemetry on the use of the 64-bit client, and they want "pure" telemetry from the target OS, not the target OS and instances on other operating systems emulating the target OS ( https://devforum.roblox.com/t/the-new-roblox-64-bit-byfron-c... ). I can see what they're trying to do here, but (a) I've never, personally, been of the opinion that this kind…

If they have the ability to detect wine usage wouldn't they have the ability to conditionally disable telemetry for wine though?

Re: Roblox intentionally blocking Linux with Wine in their new update

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Post by rft »

serf wrote: post #26
ogurechny wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that any non-toy anti-cheat system can run on WINE and not notice that something isn't quite right.

i'm here to tell you, anecdotally at least, that it is quite often that easy. These mechanisms are looking for certain environmental conditions, not the entire system state.

Yes, unless a game is going with a "proper"/kernel-level anti cheat it likely only does a cursory check. One of my best examples is, years ago, if you had Cheat Engine (and I think OllyDbg) open when launching WoW it would shut down. You could bypass that by editing the window title of CE to something else. Or just launch CE after WoW had loaded.

NVIDIA has/had a hypervisor detection in their drivers to prevent you from using GPU passthrough. It is based on searching for a specific hypervisor ID [1], easily bypassed, I just used "expletiveNvidia" and it worked fine. Also TIL AMD does the same...

In the end most companies are just playing whack-a-mole with simple indicators something "fishy" is going on.

[1] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PCI_passthrough_via_OVMF#Vi...

Re: Roblox intentionally blocking Linux with Wine in their new update

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Post by hutzlibu »

Sakos wrote: post #34
shagie wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All discussion was around Robux and the ridiculous money-grabs everywhere in the ecosystem. For years, I absolutely hated Roblox because of it. I would suggest a (re)watch of this pair of videos from People Make Games: Investigation: How Roblox Is Exploiting Young Game Developers - https://youtu.be/_gXlauRB1EQ Roblox Pressured Us to Delete Our Video. So We Dug Deeper. - https://youtu.be/vTMF6xEiAaY

Any parent that lets their kids play this is a bad parent.

"As of August 2020, Roblox had over 164 million monthly active users, including more than half of all American children under 16" (wikipedia)

Some also say, that those parents who cut off their kids from their friends are bad parents.

Parenting is about compromises and pure and clean solution only rarely exists. So yes, roblox is bad, as is facebook, tiktok and co. but banning it all and isolating your children is maybe not the perfect solution either.

My kids are not yet in the age of that crap, but soon there will surely be tough decisions to be made.

So maybe be careful with judging someone as a "bad parent", before being in that position yourself.

Re: Roblox intentionally blocking Linux with Wine in their new update

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Post by DonHopkins »

shagie wrote: post #15
kgwxd wrote: post #3

When my oldest kid was young, I was on Linux. I tried a few times to get it to work so I could play with him but never could get it to run quite right. Because I couldn't play with him, Roblox itself became a constant source of arguments. Hours-long shouting and crying kind of arguments. All discussion was around Robux and the ridiculous money-grabs everywhere in the ecosystem. For years, I absolutely hated Roblox be…

> All discussion was around Robux and the ridiculous money-grabs everywhere in the ecosystem. For years, I absolutely hated Roblox because of it. I would suggest a (re)watch of this pair of videos from People Make Games: Investigation: How Roblox Is Exploiting Young Game Developers - https://youtu.be/_gXlauRB1EQ Roblox Pressured Us to Delete Our Video. So We Dug Deeper. - https://youtu.be/vTMF6xEiAaY

Wow. Thank you for posting those links. I just watched those two videos in their entirety, which Roblox wishes were taken down.

They raise MUCH BIGGER issues than "intentionally blocking Linux with Wine", which is actually a GOOD thing insofar as it helps protect Linux users from being exploited.

It would be even better for society if Roblox blocked all Windows and Mac users.

Re: Roblox intentionally blocking Linux with Wine in their new update

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Post by DonHopkins »

hutzlibu wrote: post #43
Sakos wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any parent that lets their kids play this is a bad parent.

"As of August 2020, Roblox had over 164 million monthly active users, including more than half of all American children under 16" (wikipedia) Some also say, that those parents who cut off their kids from their friends are bad parents. Parenting is about compromises and pure and clean solution only rarely exists. So yes, roblox is bad, as is facebook, tiktok and co. but banning it all and isolating your children is ma…

Did you actually watch both of those videos in their entirety before posting that?

If you haven't yet, you may want to delete your comment out of shame after you do. Unless you have as little shame as a parent or care for your own children as do all the pedos and white supremacists and scammers operating on that platform.

You be you, but I'm sorry for your kids.

Re: Roblox intentionally blocking Linux with Wine in their new update

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Post by hutzlibu »

DonHopkins wrote: post #45
hutzlibu wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"As of August 2020, Roblox had over 164 million monthly active users, including more than half of all American children under 16" (wikipedia) Some also say, that those parents who cut off their kids from their friends are bad parents. Parenting is about compromises and pure and clean solution only rarely exists. So yes, roblox is bad, as is facebook, tiktok and co. but banning it all and isolating your children is ma…

Did you actually watch both of those videos in their entirety before posting that? If you haven't yet, you may want to delete your comment out of shame after you do. Unless you have as little shame as a parent or care for your own children as do all the pedos and white supremacists and scammers operating on that platform. You be you, but I'm sorry for your kids.

Nope, I did not. But read aweful stuff before about roblox and I think I said clearly that I think the plattform is crap and not that I have any intentions of hooking up my kids to it. My point was about moralist "judgement".

"Unless you have as little shame as a parent or care for your own children's wellbeing as do all the pedos and white supremacists and scammers operating on that platform."

So what about the rest of the internet and the real world? It is not exactly that they are free of those people.

Absolute protection means absolute isolation. So still my question: do you think it is good for kids, if all their friends meet on roblox and only they are not allowed and become isolated? Parenting in reality means compromises. So I do not know, how I will decide if I would come into that situation, but I know that it is always easier to judge from the outside. Or do you have kids in roblox age?

Re: Roblox intentionally blocking Linux with Wine in their new update

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Post by jpambrun »

DonHopkins wrote: post #45
hutzlibu wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"As of August 2020, Roblox had over 164 million monthly active users, including more than half of all American children under 16" (wikipedia) Some also say, that those parents who cut off their kids from their friends are bad parents. Parenting is about compromises and pure and clean solution only rarely exists. So yes, roblox is bad, as is facebook, tiktok and co. but banning it all and isolating your children is ma…

Did you actually watch both of those videos in their entirety before posting that? If you haven't yet, you may want to delete your comment out of shame after you do. Unless you have as little shame as a parent or care for your own children as do all the pedos and white supremacists and scammers operating on that platform. You be you, but I'm sorry for your kids.

When you have a kid of Roblox age (I assume you don't) you will feel the pressure from all other kids already playing. Your kid may even get a robux card at a birthday without your consent. If you pushback you will be the annoying parent and your kids social life will suffer. Then you will likely readjust your position.

Re: Roblox intentionally blocking Linux with Wine in their new update

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Post by ogurechny »

serf wrote: post #26
ogurechny wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt that any non-toy anti-cheat system can run on WINE and not notice that something isn't quite right.

i'm here to tell you, anecdotally at least, that it is quite often that easy. These mechanisms are looking for certain environmental conditions, not the entire system state.

Then someone has to investigate it, and make a specific wrapper for this behavior, or, as natives call it, “crack”. Of course, if you have a crack, you won't have the problem (and the developers will also be happy because they won't need to support you).
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