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China’s Ambassador to France Says Ex-Soviet States Lack Basis for Sovereignty

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Re: China’s Ambassador to France Says Ex-Soviet States Lack Basis for Sovereignty

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who knows, but Ukrainians really need to not live under Russian rule, because the Russians will steal their toilets, steal their children, and beat them for speaking their language.

And don't forget the washing machines too. Imagine, an entire nation forced to wear dirty clothes.

That's not necessary. Usually before automatic washing machine, people were using device called washboard.

Re: China’s Ambassador to France Says Ex-Soviet States Lack Basis for Sovereignty

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Given that mainland China is a revolutionary government dating from 1948 or so, they should be careful discussing who has and lacks sovereignty…

East Taiwan doesn't have sovereignty to declare themselves their own nation.

They could claim to be the state driven there by the revolution on the mainland. And I suspect they were recognized as that for a while after ww ii.

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If he is also including Russia in this group then I would guess this might be the basis for China reclaiming lost territory from Russia after it loses the war. Today the Chinese are buying Natural Gas and Oil from fields that were once Chinese territory. I'm sure this must really hurt their pride, that Russia stole this land from them.

China deciding to invade Russia instead of Taiwan would be a quality and welcome plot twist.

After watching Russia's performanc in Ukraine, I'm sure the thought has flitted across Xi's mind once or twice.

Re: China’s Ambassador to France Says Ex-Soviet States Lack Basis for Sovereignty

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correction: The US has never tried to occupy Afghanistan. So there is no "too".

Feels like you could make a case either way, like how "freedom fighters" or "resistance fighters" might be used for some groups vs "illegal combatants" for others... or even the same group at different times. The US toppled the government and had troops stationed there for ~20 years. I think depending on your political leanings you could reasonably frame that as a) police action and support for a fragile government,…

Occupation doesn’t always have a negative connotation in popular culture, e.g. the allied occupation of Germany after WWII. I don’t really see how Afghanistan wasn’t an occupation, regardless of whether one is for or against (also confused who could possibly be for it today).

Re: China’s Ambassador to France Says Ex-Soviet States Lack Basis for Sovereignty

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I'm seeing a lot of behavior that can only be described as incompetence among China's diplomatic corps. This contrasts with their pre-Xi effectiveness. Anyone know what's going on? (EDIT: A friend pointed me to this [1]. Not a complete explanation. But an obviously brain dead strategy designed for domestic appeasement, not external goals.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_warrior_diplomacy

China is simply normalizing the notion that borders are ephemeral. Who’s entitled to them and where they are should be left to powerful states, like China, to dictate.

No, the ambassador's statements are completely contrary to Chinese policy. He went off script and stuck his foot in his mouth.

In general, China is extremely hard-line on the idea that sovereignty is inviolable, and that countries should not interfere in the internal affairs of other countries.

Far from saying that powerful states should dictate borders, China - much more than the US or any other major state - insists that borders cannot be shifted. China hasn't even recognized Russia's annexation of Crimea, despite Russia's closeness with China. If China were really trying to normalize the notion that borders are ephemeral, it would have recognized Crimea as Russian long ago. It hasn't.

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