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Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

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Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

#41
As a manager I can tell you having a team member leave is not a “get out jail free card.”

First you will have to explain why X person is leaving, and it will generally be considered your fault.

Second if your team isn’t resistant enough to absorb the impact of one team member leaving, this will also be scrutinized and viewed negatively.

Managers are responsible for their team’s performance and not one individual

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

#42

Nobody gave this person this advice because it is bad advice, period. Give your contractual notice, whether thats 2 weeks in the US, or a month or 3 months in the UK or whatever and be prepared to actually leave at the end of it. Any other advice is actually harmful to the majority of people.

There is no contractual notice required to be given in the US.

72 hours notice in some states if you want to be paid out for everything they owe you on the spot.

But otherwise I give them about as much notice as they would give me: at 4:59PM on Friday I send an email to HR informing them that today was my last day.

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

#43
post #7

I've generally given a lot of notice as an IC, 2-3 months in some cases. and I have to say, I think it's not been appreciated, not even once. I've tried to spend the time wrapping things up, communicating my tacit knowledge to my coworkers, and writing documentation for things that I've done and created and am responsible for; I'm fairly certain that no one has given my opinions and thoughts any more than a cursory a…

Like most things, it depends. I've given employers no time up to 4 weeks. Smaller ones will definitely receive more grace if they have been good to me. And, when I was an employer I tried to do the same for others.

Another note is that I'm always succession planning. Document, share what I'm doing, etc... I learned early on that if I couldn't be replaced, I also couldn't be promoted.

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

#44
I’ve quit all jobs with 1-2 months notice and can wholeheartedly agree with the author’s narrative. I am still on good terms with my ex-managers and colleagues.

There’s another plus to this: when your ex-manager moves to another company and starts hiring there, they’d likely want you again.

On the vacation before your last day bit: labor law in most places dictates that employers must reimburse you for any unused vacation days. Unless there’s an “unlimited” vacation policy, which typically caps this at 2 weeks, less any vacation days you take.

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

#45

This is terrible advice, the company will never give you a heads up if they are going to fire you. Do what's best for you. Keeping a good relationship with your current employer comes second.

Not only will they not give you a heads up, they'll outright lie to you about lay-offs right until the moment they happen.

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

#46
Having this legally set up in France (typically to 3 months) makes it easier for everyone. As an employee you do not get to choose, as the former employer you know exactly what to expect, as the new employer you know you will need to wait.

This time can be negotiated down by mutual interest of both parties. It is usually the employee who would initiate the discussion.

The calculation also takes into account vacation time so it may be much shorter from the perspective of the employer.

Finally, the employer can forbid the employee to come to work and get back all the equipment, but still has to pay them for the 3 months.

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

#47
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also amazed by the stories of managers who immediately layoff workers who said they will quit. Why ? Is this like some "Oh no you're not deciding to quit, I decided first you're fired, I call dibs !" ? The dude said they will leave anyway. And doing the layoff will just allow him to leave without extensively teaching someone else. This should be illegal as well.

It really depends on the worker, in my experience, and their approach to the situation. I had one person who gave a full year's notice, so that we could hire, train, and integrate the new worker before she left. It was glorious and resulted in zero down time. I have had another who gave one month's notice, and spent the entire time being toxic. Digging out from under that took the better part of three years. The over…

>I had one person who gave a full year's notice

I don't understand how anyone could do this with exception of retirement. Who will hire you with one year long advance?

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

#48
post #21

2 weeks is the standard? I am amazed. In Switzerland where I live, it is 3 full calendar months. And I thought Switzerland is very similar to the USA... My god 2 weeks lol, someone quits and he is gone the next day. How is this legal?

I thought it was well known that employment law and customs differ greatly between US and Europe.

For example the difficulty in firing someone in France was a plot device in "Emily in Paris". In most states in the US you can be fired with immediate effect from a non-government job at any time, for any reason, or no reason at all.

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

#49

Nobody gave this person this advice because it is bad advice, period. Give your contractual notice, whether thats 2 weeks in the US, or a month or 3 months in the UK or whatever and be prepared to actually leave at the end of it. Any other advice is actually harmful to the majority of people.

There is no contractual notice required to be given in the US. 72 hours notice in some states if you want to be paid out for everything they owe you on the spot. But otherwise I give them about as much notice as they would give me: at 4:59PM on Friday I send an email to HR informing them that today was my last day.

Can your contract state otherwise?

Re: Career advice no one gave me: Give a lot of notice when you quit

#50
post #21

2 weeks is the standard? I am amazed. In Switzerland where I live, it is 3 full calendar months. And I thought Switzerland is very similar to the USA... My god 2 weeks lol, someone quits and he is gone the next day. How is this legal?

In most US states, you can go into the boss' office and say "I quit" and walk out the door.

All states
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