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US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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Can someone share any relevant experience with this? Best would be if you did it properly under supervision of clinical professional, or if you are a professional here, by any chance. Doesn’t matter if it’s US or not.

My partners mother was depressed and shut in for years. She had been through every process, medical and otherwise, to try and find an escape hatch, window, anything. She eventually was accepted into a limited program in Victoria, BC for ketamine treatments. 3 large doses rendering intense trips that lasted the course of hours in a clinic under the supervision of doctors and therapists. After the first session she was…

What a great outcome. Glad to hear this and thanks for posting.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

> As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening.

Totally sympathize with that viewpoint, but I'm not sure if this commenter knows that MDMA will not be a prescription medication — no one is prescribed or goes home with MDMA. The treatment in the trials is only 3 medication-assisted therapy sessions with normal preparation and integration therapy sessions before and after. After those 3 MDMA sessions, the patient doesn't take MDMA again.

It's been clear since the beginning that it's psychedelic-assisted therapy — not just psychedelics — that makes the treatment effective.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

The success in these studies is largely short term. There are many drugs that will help - even cure - depression over the short term. The risk is that people will interpret the short term success as an excuse to always dose whenever they experience a hurdle. I remember well the claims of SSRI's when they first came out. It was nothing short of a wonder drug.

The article gives away perhaps the big underlying motivation to get these to market: its a potential billion dollar industry.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

Depression and anxiety are complicated. For some patients, taking medication can be transformative, especially when combined with other modalities of treatment. In my experience, you still have to put in the work, but the right medication can make it possible. If you are worried about patients being ostracized for declining medication, worry too about ostracizing patients for whom it could be really effective.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You didn't use it in a medicinal context though. You used it recreationally and thought about a problem then arrived at a solution. There's only x ways you could have fit the TVs in, and I'm sure most people could have figured it out without taking anything, it's hardly a difficult task.

how to use mdma in medical way? does it requires obeying to some owner of some kind of medical license?

Medicinally, ergo, if someone has depression, they can use it to overcome it (apparently). Recreationally means that you don't have a medical issue that you are trying to solve and are taking it just to take it.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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post #14

Can someone share any relevant experience with this? Best would be if you did it properly under supervision of clinical professional, or if you are a professional here, by any chance. Doesn’t matter if it’s US or not.

My friend has been one of the clinicians on the MAPS trials in Boston. He says it's abundantly clear that people are able to have powerful internal experiences of emotional opening, fear-reduction, release of bodily tension, and self-compassion and new understanding. And amazingly he says that these experiences are somewhat durable — people end up making all sorts of positive changes in their lives after these sessio…

That’s impressive. I was interested in first hand experience with PTSD and persistent depression treatment, but I am happy with any sort of “subjective but clinical” information about this.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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post #42

As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

> As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Totally sympathize with that viewpoint, but I'm not sure if this commenter knows that MDMA will not be a prescription medication — no one is prescribed or goes home with MDMA. The treatment in the trials is only 3 medication-assisted therapy sessions with normal preparation and integration therapy sessions before and after. After t…

This is a really good point. It's a therapy, not a prescription per se.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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post #42

As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

> As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Totally sympathize with that viewpoint, but I'm not sure if this commenter knows that MDMA will not be a prescription medication — no one is prescribed or goes home with MDMA. The treatment in the trials is only 3 medication-assisted therapy sessions with normal preparation and integration therapy sessions before and after. After t…

People will use it as justification to buy it illegally.

Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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As an outsider, that American obsession with prescripted medication seems maddening. Many of these conditions are caused by underlying societal factors and are nowhere near as widespread outside the US. The American solution is to throw more pills at the problem, or ostracise the patients not willing to take that route. Even children are offered an ever larger number of pills, and are constantly challenged about thei…

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Re: US could soon approve MDMA therapy

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post #29

Given the reputation of MDMA, I wonder if this could also help with certain types of sexual dysfunction, such as unwanted low libido.

that works only to females, for males the desired substance is 2cb.

I could be mistaken, but I believe it is predominately females that are effected by low sexual desire.
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