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Re: Misalignment Museum

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Post by chrisco255 »

Sharlin wrote: post #36
chrisco255 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not though is it, that's just your programming thinking for you. Human deaths from weather and climate related events are near all time lows, while overall population is indeed at all time highs. We have better crop yields (3) and productivity thanks to both technology and indeed, CO2 fertilization of the atmosphere (4), which is driven by photosynthesis, a process which is optimized at thousands of ppm f…

I’m loath to reply to a comment that’s either idiotic, propaganda, or a troll, but one word: d/dt

The sources are cited and your comment is against HN policy. If you care to engage with someone more educated than yourself on a topic, I'm happy to debate on fair terms.

Re: Misalignment Museum

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Post by tsukikage »

Filligree wrote: post #40
tsukikage wrote: post #30

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Misalignment is not malice. The paperclip optimizer isn't malicious. The risk isn't software going evil on us. The risk is software doing exactly what we made it do. A software bug is generally what we call the situation where software does exactly what its creator asked it to do, but that thing is not a thing its creator actually intended or wanted. The creator did not correctly express their request, and/or did not…

> Surely the AI doomers are overstating the risk of doom - surely no-one working in safety critical systems would do things any other way? "Has there ever been a case of harm form AI misalignment?" - this is the real thrust of that question. What sort of idiot would wire an unintended consequence generator directly to anything that might harm or hurt? You don't have to look far to find people doing exactly that. Auto…

...for people playing Russian Roulette, the temptation to take pulling the trigger and surviving as evidence that it is safe to pull the trigger again appears irresistible.

Re: Misalignment Museum

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Post by chrisco255 »

rollo wrote: post #34
chrisco255 wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not though is it, that's just your programming thinking for you. Human deaths from weather and climate related events are near all time lows, while overall population is indeed at all time highs. We have better crop yields (3) and productivity thanks to both technology and indeed, CO2 fertilization of the atmosphere (4), which is driven by photosynthesis, a process which is optimized at thousands of ppm f…

Clearly the ecosystem is far from collapse while we're in the middle of a rapid human-caused mass-extinction. What kind of propaganda are you smoking, bro.

Sorry, but according to NASA satellite data, you are sorely mistaken: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fer...

Re: Misalignment Museum

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Post by ajuc »

chrisco255 wrote: post #43
rollo wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly the ecosystem is far from collapse while we're in the middle of a rapid human-caused mass-extinction. What kind of propaganda are you smoking, bro.

Sorry, but according to NASA satellite data, you are sorely mistaken: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fer...

Diversity vs biomass. If AI prefers biomass over diversity we're pretty much fucked ;) If it prefers diversity - at least some of us will remain in ZOOs ;)

Re: Misalignment Museum

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Post by chrisco255 »

ajuc wrote: post #44
chrisco255 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but according to NASA satellite data, you are sorely mistaken: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fer...

Diversity vs biomass. If AI prefers biomass over diversity we're pretty much fucked ;) If it prefers diversity - at least some of us will remain in ZOOs ;)

The conditions necessary for biomass expansion are also conducive to biodiversity. Indeed, the vast majority of biological diversity is in the tropical region of earth. Species of life seem to have a very hard time in the arctic regions.

As for AIs, I see no reason why they should prefer any characteristic of ecology at all, if all of their needs can be met from silicon and electricity.

(1) https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259552528_Why_are_t...

Re: Misalignment Museum

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Post by AbrahamParangi »

rollo wrote: post #21
ahepp wrote: post #11

This actually brings to mind a conversation I've been having with my buddies recently. Has there ever been a case of harm from AI misalignment? Not some kind of speculative art exhibit, but real harm?

Corporations can be regarded as AI agents with misaligned goals. In a bit over a century this has resulted in damage to the climate and Earth's ecosystem that is threatening the survival of our civilization. And that's just slow, badly optimized paperclippers so far.

The whole “world is ending thing” is a bit hysterical in my opinion. Discussion on it is so stifled because people don’t want to sound like they’re anti-environment so they don’t check the least reality based voices.

Re: Misalignment Museum

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Post by sidewndr46 »

chrisco255 wrote: post #32
rollo wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporations can be regarded as AI agents with misaligned goals. In a bit over a century this has resulted in damage to the climate and Earth's ecosystem that is threatening the survival of our civilization. And that's just slow, badly optimized paperclippers so far.

It's really not though is it, that's just your programming thinking for you. Human deaths from weather and climate related events are near all time lows, while overall population is indeed at all time highs. We have better crop yields (3) and productivity thanks to both technology and indeed, CO2 fertilization of the atmosphere (4), which is driven by photosynthesis, a process which is optimized at thousands of ppm f…

You're making the mistake of assuming that somehow humanity is better off because our population is larger. There is no intrinsic benefit to a population of 8 billion, 4 billion, or 2 billion. None of those numbers are a population bottleneck in any manner. For comparison, bonobos have a population of something like 50,000.

Having more people doesn't improve the quality of life of those people. It's just more people.

Re: Misalignment Museum

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Post by Sharlin »

chrisco255 wrote: post #41
Sharlin wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m loath to reply to a comment that’s either idiotic, propaganda, or a troll, but one word: d/dt

The sources are cited and your comment is against HN policy. If you care to engage with someone more educated than yourself on a topic, I'm happy to debate on fair terms.

Your sources are absolutely irrelevant when your argument has a vast hole that is evident to anyone who has even a little bit of actual understanding about the issue. You can cargo-cult as many sources you like, they do nothing to save a fundamentally broken argument.

Re: Misalignment Museum

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Post by throwaway173738 »

simonw wrote: post #2

Wow, didn't expect my https://www.niche-museums.com/ website to show up on Hacker News! It's actually running on a templated instance of Datasette - try the "Use my location" button on the homepage to see tiny museums near you that I've been to.

There’s also a prison museum in Deer Lodge Montana that my partner and I went to to kill a little time before the Vonnie Louise had our room available.
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