It's a pity that this doesnt even make frontpages anymore.
Someone should hack those cameras to add fake veils when one is not detected
Iran installs cameras in public places to identify, penalise unveiled women
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#42Meanwhile, feminists in the western world fight to wear a hijab, burkha, abaya, etc. and don’t see them as signs of oppression. I wish i understood the logic. Wish we could all stand up against this together.
It is the opposite. Feminists are fundamentally anti religion and anti establishment. If govt is railing against what women can do, feminists are the first to fight. If religion is dictating what women can/should do, feminists will be the first to fight.
Feminists are to authority like atheists are to religion.
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#43Meanwhile, feminists in the western world fight to wear a hijab, burkha, abaya, etc. and don’t see them as signs of oppression. I wish i understood the logic. Wish we could all stand up against this together.
It's real simple: "Don't take away my choice to wear what I want."
For whatever reason, fragile people get real offended by what other people wear.
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This is not Redit, please try to contribute something to a discussion.
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#45I've personally known 2 women from Iran who are not fans of the US foreign policy, but become red with anger and visibly shaking when talking about their govt's treatment of women.
A lot of Iranians see US foreign policy as aiding or even causing the current Iranian government.
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#46I've personally known 2 women from Iran who are not fans of the US foreign policy, but become red with anger and visibly shaking when talking about their govt's treatment of women.
> I've personally known 2 women from Iran who are not fans of the US foreign policy, but become red with anger and visibly shaking when talking about their govt's treatment of women. Why "but"? Those are usually the same groups of people.
Don't get it; 'but' seems to be very legitimate use.
Intuitively, it is more likely that people who are not fan of US policies would be fan of Iranian govt's policies (you know because Iranian govt and US govt don't see eye to eye and all that..).
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#47Meanwhile, feminists in the western world fight to wear a hijab, burkha, abaya, etc. and don’t see them as signs of oppression. I wish i understood the logic. Wish we could all stand up against this together.
It's real simple: "Don't take away my choice to wear what I want." For whatever reason, fragile people get real offended by what other people wear.
Or don't wear
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
This reminds me of the "guns don't kill people" argument. Surveillance cameras have everything to do with consolidating power into fewer and fewer hands. Therefore fewer voices of dissent on the levers of power. Iran is going through a demographic shift. The protests and strikes are evidence of a desire for change. With tools like this even small acts of defiance become higher risk.
> This reminds me of the "guns don't kill people" argument. So you're telling me if we banned cameras in Iran, women would no longer be oppressed?
That's not what they said.
Oppression would still be present. The issue is the impact and influence protestors could have had simply wouldn't be possible as any dissent will be met with a knock at the door the moment it is uttered.
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#49See also the ongoing saga of what seems to be the Iranian government (literally, physically) poisoning school girls.
Do you have any recent news about this? The last thing I heard was when Khamenei eventually condemned the poisonings[1], which was a month ago? [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-64862714
School girls poisoned in many cities in concert using similar method and government officials claimed it’s nothing but hysteria and the “supreme” leader finally condemns it after a lot of bad press outside of Iran. They install cameras to find one unveiled woman but have trouble to identify who is poisoning school girls nationwide. His condemnation is there to be sold to BBC. Nobody in Iran believes him.
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#50Morality aside, does this surprise anyone? All countries use cameras do enforce their laws, why would Iran be different? The problem here is Iran, cameras have nothing to do with it.
This reminds me of the "guns don't kill people" argument. Surveillance cameras have everything to do with consolidating power into fewer and fewer hands. Therefore fewer voices of dissent on the levers of power. Iran is going through a demographic shift. The protests and strikes are evidence of a desire for change. With tools like this even small acts of defiance become higher risk.
> Iran is going through a demographic shift
We have been hearing this argument for too long from those who are anti Iran.