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I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by eternalban »

I think the OP has it wrong. It won't be millions of dollars. Try billions.

So in a twist of irony (considering op was written in India) here is the advice on retaining market viability in face of cheap outsourced labor.

Do not train your replacement

So I don't know about India, but at least in US, domain literate workers should start companies that provide whatever they did as a unit of a corp as a service. And yes, use tools like GPT for your business.

You will lose the job either way. Walk out before helping in the task of setting up GPT to do your job, and start a company.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by 10xDev »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

During lockdowns the rate of depression and all sorts of mental and physical issues went up. Becoming unemployed may not be the exact same thing as a lockdown but less incentive to get up at a reasonable time or to leave the house would still lead to more overweight, lazy and depressed people.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

atemerev wrote: post #32
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

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Has communism ever been attempted without severe backlash from entities with capitalistic interests?

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by alchemist1e9 »

It looks like those who love LLMs (which I do) are forcing themselves to come up with narratives that mitigate the proposed negative effects.

I have a different suggestion. It’s likely it is real and painful and sad. Transitions are hard, disruptive and can often cause very real and negative problems, but they are unavoidable and historically technology brings humanity to a better place in the long run.

That reminder about printing press effects in the Ng and LeCunn video was good example. A lot of crazy bad stuff happened that likely the printing press triggered but on the other side was a Renaissance.

I think the narrative in this post is likely accurate. It’s not great on an individual human level and that is hard but the last possible thing we want is governments stepping in to control this situation. I don’t want to be in a global version of the Ottoman’s restricting the printing press.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

atemerev wrote: post #32
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #29

The big oversight here is that Priya does not want a job , what Priya wants is an income . The point of life is not working, the point of life is to enjoy it. We should strive to eliminate as many jobs as we possibly can, the less we have to work the better it is. To make this possible we need to find a way to a new system that doesn't directly link labour with income .

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Because the only two options are capitalism and communism ? Communism doesn't work so just let's give up, not try anything else and let the rich exploit the majority of the human race.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by eropple »

theusus wrote: post #8

This is a really pessimistic and shallow article. Who will prompt the AI for code? Manager? Also, you mentioned it gave wrong result at first. How did you know? Because you know how to code. As mentioned in other comment she should learn more about programming so she can become indispensible.

You think programmers are indispensable? "Learn to code"?

I think you, likely as not, have a rude awakening ahead of you. GPT can enshittify code, too. Unwind libraries into oceans of repeated Copilot-descendant code all over the place. It'll just take longer.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by avion23 »

csomar wrote: post #38
avion23 wrote: post #24

The Author proposes to keep worthless jobs. The same argument could be made against compilers or language translaters. This is encapsulated in a sob story. Am I wrong? I would like to hear your counter arguments

I think the author is not proposing to keep worthless jobs but realized that while Priya work is worthless, his very own work is about to become so.

But the title implies that he wishes that gpt4 never existed so those jobs could continue existing like in the past?

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by topper-123 »

Etheryte wrote: post #4
T-A wrote: post #2

> GPT4 gave the correct answer in 1/10th the time it would take Priya and cost a lot less. [...] Priya has tried to learn coding, but she has struggled. Not that she gets a lot of time to do it either. 1) Show Priya how to use GPT4 to do her current job in 1/10th of the time. 2) Let her use part (50%+) of the time saved to learn coding or whatever other skill she needs (not sure coding is it).

Exactly, while there is some merit to the article's argument, I don't think it holds any water in this case. GPT4 will lie to you [0] and you need the human to figure out when that's the case. [0] https://simonwillison.net/2023/Apr/7/chatgpt-lies/

> you need the human to figure out when that's the case.

Yes, but you will need fewer people. And thas is with the current level of GPT. If the GPTs proficiency increases, fewer and fewer people will be needed. That’s a problem.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by JW_00000 »

yawnxyz wrote: post #26

In the future there'll probably be two kinds of people: the ones wielding Magic (aka LLMs)... and the ones trying to hold on to a world before Magic arrived, slowly getting eaten up by the Magic.

And a third group of people, whose jobs interact with the real world, e.g. farmers, plumbers, bakers, hairdressers, taxi drivers, nurses... They can't be replaced by a LLM.

Re: I wish GPT4 had never happened

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

theusus wrote: post #8

This is a really pessimistic and shallow article. Who will prompt the AI for code? Manager? Also, you mentioned it gave wrong result at first. How did you know? Because you know how to code. As mentioned in other comment she should learn more about programming so she can become indispensible.

"The right moment to fire someone is the day before they become indispensable"

It is not beneficial to human organizations to have indispensable members. You can argue it's not good for the mental health of the indispensable people either.

When I first heard the quote in my first line, I thought it was cruel, inhumane and shockingly selfish on the part of employers. Nearly 30 years later, I see it almost entirely the other way around. Let's not build organizations full of indispensable people, but rather organizations in which tasks and expertise and stress and fear and success and joy are shared.

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