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Paywall blocking the article for me, but... I considered changing jobs to FB about a year ago. The recruiter was saying that they're remote-first and plan to stay that way.

I doubt the recruiter would have known anything different. A lot of these sudden RTO initiatives appear to be top-down things, not something recruiters would have known about a year in advance.

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Suddenly all these layoffs from the tech industry now make sense. Companies view the WFH movement and the rights which the workers have gained over the past three years as a threat to their very existence. The layoffs combined with a mandatory return to office will discourage any sort of dissent.

To what "rights", specifically, are you referring? How were they "gained over the past 3 years"? There is a weird strain of thinking in this thread that tries to frame this as some kind of Marxian labor-capital power struggle. But that framing doesn't really fit the facts.

Maybe rights is the wrong word. 'Leverage' is what I meant.

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post #32

Meta needs its best engineers to be highly motivated in uncertain times. Otherwise innovation will be harder to come by. All the best engineers I ever worked with so far all favor remote work because it increases code quality, throughput, and happiness. Meta will be disrupted, seeing as whatever Meta tech they’re building isn’t even good enough for their own employees to dogfood for better remote work experience.

The place I work for hasn't fully embraced remote for in house staff, since lockdowns it's now 2 days a month in the office but we have hired an agency to help with an app rebuild. We've got 5-6 people from the agency working from Spain, Hungary, Poland and the UK and they're brilliant. Really knowledgable about our specific niche with loads of experience in related areas. I have no idea how we'd find people this goo…

Larger companies have economies of scale that enable dealing with these laws easier.

Smaller companies have to use something like Deel.

That hypothesis doesn't sound that convincing - especially since multiple Americans I know who wanted to join big companies pre-pandemic did so because of the access to living in different places outside of America.

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Suddenly all these layoffs from the tech industry now make sense. Companies view the WFH movement and the rights which the workers have gained over the past three years as a threat to their very existence. The layoffs combined with a mandatory return to office will discourage any sort of dissent.

Do they though? I see the WFH movement as a threat to the existence of my job. If the entire IT department works from home, what's stopping the company from moving it to India, Bangladesh or Pakistan? If you live in North America or Europe then I feel like you should fight against WFH, since a lot of smart people in the world would gladly do your job for half the salary.

If that was true, why don't Meta and all the others simply hire people from those countries, like they offshored production? In some cases they even set up physical offices there to try to do exactly as you say. Yet they keep coming back to more expensive workers.

Re: Meta stops offering remote work in new job postings

#45

Meta needs its best engineers to be highly motivated in uncertain times. Otherwise innovation will be harder to come by. All the best engineers I ever worked with so far all favor remote work because it increases code quality, throughput, and happiness. Meta will be disrupted, seeing as whatever Meta tech they’re building isn’t even good enough for their own employees to dogfood for better remote work experience.

I'm a big advocate of remote work, but my role has changed it's value significantly:

* As an IC, remote is amazing. It gives me distraction free space to focus and be productive. With moderate process, I'm able to be extremely productive and unblock myself.

* As a manager, remote can be challenging when trying to drive cross-team/cross-org impact - especially on ambiguous projects. It's far more challenging to drive outcomes when you can't simply walk into someone's office for a quick conversation . Good process can help with this, but most companies don't reward for this.

Re: Meta stops offering remote work in new job postings

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I don't blame them. Were entering a bear market, they have disadvantaged themselves with metaverse (although their hand was forced when ad market was nuked). It's a hectic market where job seekers and employers are about to get tight.

You'd think then, entering a bear market, you'd want to keep your best people happy by letting them WFH. But maybe they're going the HPE route and trying to cut staff via attrition. When I was at HP in 2014, Meg closed all satellite offices and got rid of most WFH- this lead to overly cramped offices as an abundance of employees were dragged back in. A lot of employees quit or simply took early retirement as a result…

These are new jobs. My pet theory is that meta is a business with no product or purpose at the moment.

Once they know what they want to do to remain a business they will hire good people for that new product.

I suspect though that "good people" for someone like Meta are usually head hunted and will be offered bespoke contracts from day 1.

All tinfoil hat speculation on my part to be honest.

Re: Meta stops offering remote work in new job postings

#47
post #26

While it may be controversial, I like that some companies are trying Work from Office, for multiple reasons: It forces companies to tap into a smaller talent pool locally, which can include more junior employees that may require training. This makes the company more inclusive and gives opportunities to those who might not otherwise have access to them. Let's not forget that one of the most successful companies in the…

>> one of the most successful companies in the world, OpenAI

How are you measuring success?

Re: Meta stops offering remote work in new job postings

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Meta needs its best engineers to be highly motivated in uncertain times. Otherwise innovation will be harder to come by. All the best engineers I ever worked with so far all favor remote work because it increases code quality, throughput, and happiness. Meta will be disrupted, seeing as whatever Meta tech they’re building isn’t even good enough for their own employees to dogfood for better remote work experience.

I'm a big advocate of remote work, but my role has changed it's value significantly: * As an IC, remote is amazing. It gives me distraction free space to focus and be productive. With moderate process, I'm able to be extremely productive and unblock myself. * As a manager, remote can be challenging when trying to drive cross-team/cross-org impact - especially on ambiguous projects. It's far more challenging to drive…

This post contradicts itself. Basically, it seems to suggest that whatever benefits your role is what needs to be done.

However, given that there are far more staff employees, wouldn’t it make sense to optimize for their output?

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#49
post #12

Great job humans. Keep encouraging more daily commuters and contributing to greenhouse gases instead of making things better through technology. I am sure the next generations will thank us for this and not even showing the willpower to look at the issue objectively. /s

Before the pandemic I never touched my car Monday to Friday, I was strictly on the subway. I didn't even have a parking pass for work.

Since working from home, I drive around the suburbs almost daily Monday to Friday for lunch/errands to get out of the house.

People make weird assumptions.

Re: Meta stops offering remote work in new job postings

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Suddenly all these layoffs from the tech industry now make sense. Companies view the WFH movement and the rights which the workers have gained over the past three years as a threat to their very existence. The layoffs combined with a mandatory return to office will discourage any sort of dissent.

Do they though? I see the WFH movement as a threat to the existence of my job. If the entire IT department works from home, what's stopping the company from moving it to India, Bangladesh or Pakistan? If you live in North America or Europe then I feel like you should fight against WFH, since a lot of smart people in the world would gladly do your job for half the salary.

> India, Bangladesh or Pakistan

Many of the best you can find from cheaper countries already moved to US or EU, or are willing to move.

Also, while I'm all for remote work, time zones different are a mess to manage.

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